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Configuring managed switch for VLANs and VoIP

Asked by: sgarson1

I have never configured a managed switch before today.  We are building a new network infrastructure that will run desktop PCs and VoIP phones.  While I have the cabling to keep the phones and computers on separate cables, in a year, my cabling will be maxed out and I will want to start plugging the PCs into the extra port on the IP phones.

I was advised to set up two VLANs with one subnet for the computers and one subnet for t he phones.  If I do this for all 24 ports, will that do the trick?  I am comfortable with the IP numbering schemes just not the switch configuration.

Any advice would save me hours of trial and error.

Thanks,

Steve Garson

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Answers

 

by: -Leo-Posted on 2005-06-16 at 21:54:58ID: 14237766

There is no point to set up 2 VLANS in your case - if you have PC's plugged into the IP phones. They are using same port on the switch, this mean they will be in the same VLAN anyway.
If you will connect your phones to the dedicated ports on the switch, separate from PC ports, then you can set up 2 VLANS and this will prevent broadcasts from PC network to the VOIP network...

 

by: Joel_SiskoPosted on 2005-06-16 at 22:19:11ID: 14237835

sqarson1,

As LEO pointed out plugging from outlet to phone to computer, you are still using the same VLAN for the fact that VLAN's are configured at Layer 2, where IP address are Layer 3. Here is a link for some VLAN info:

http://net21.ucdavis.edu/newvlan.htm

What you would be more concerned about if you wired from outlet to phone to computer would be QoS (Quality of Service) for the voice packets. Some VoIP that have the ability to plug the computer downstream of the phone already apply a level of QoS automatically to the packets coming from the computer and VoIP phone.

Kindest regards,

Joel_Sisko

 

by: pibelixPosted on 2005-06-29 at 11:28:42ID: 14331593

i don't quite agree with what was said  before. It is in fact possible to put 2 vlans in the same cable. That is possible configuring ports inthe switch as trunks, so that you can have IEEE 802.1Q vlan tag in that port. Normally phones with an internal switch have the ability to tag voice traffic with the "voice VLAN" number, and send all data from a PC through the native VLAN (untagged).
This is very important if you want tho discriminate voice from data when the time comes to do some QoS marking and classification. Not every switch and IP Phones have the same abilities to perform these treatment to voice and data, but it is  indeed critical for the voice quality through the network.

 

by: sgarson1Posted on 2005-06-29 at 13:30:37ID: 14332886

Pibelix:

Thanks for your response.  It took a while to get a response that I need.  I have a Dell PowerConnect managed switch that I need to configure for the VLAN.  Assume VLAN 200 is for tagged voice packets and VLAN 100 is for untagged regular data traffic.

Each port ( 1 to 24) on the switch can be configured separately, but I want them all to work with both VLANS.  The config options are:
Port VLAN Mode: General/Access/Trunk
PVID: A number 1 to 4092
Frame Type: All/Admit Tagged Only
Ingress Filter: Disable/Enable

I am guessing that I should use:

Port VLAN Mode: General
PVID: ??
Frame Type: All
Ingress Filter: Disable

Can you or anyone advise?

 

by: jfradyPosted on 2005-07-04 at 08:48:46ID: 14363159

I'm not familiar with the Dell command structure but essentially you need to configure VLAN 200 as tagged (PVID would be 200) IF the IP phones you are using are capable of applying tags to all packets.  You also have to have either the default VLAN still in operation on all ports or create an untagged VLAN for you data traffic.  End result is that you have VLAN200 tagged and VLAN 100 untagged.  

Any uplink ports from this switch to others in your network will have to be configured as a trunk VLAN port so the tagged packets can flow across.

Make sure your phones can tag packets.  Some still rely on the switch to apply tags for them.

 

by: veruscorpPosted on 2005-08-22 at 21:01:50ID: 14730454

This thread is somewhat stale, but I wanted to clarify this.  I have done multi-vlan tagging on ports for numerous manufacturers of switches and IP Phones.  Recently, I had to learn Dell's way of doing this to accomodate IP Phones (when a workstation is attached to the phone that is attached to a Dell switch).  These comments are not specific to any type of IP Phone - general information only from that perspective.

1 - All switch ports have a default vlan.  This is the "untagged," or "default" vlan.  Cisco refers to it as the "native" vlan.  Dell refers to it as the "PVID" (Port VLAN ID).  HP refers to it as simply, "untagged."  If the switch port is configured as a trunk port, then it will always forward "untagged" frames in the native/default vlan if allowed to do so.  It will also forward frames for any other vlan id's that it receives if configured to do so.  

In Dell's case, the "general" option should be used for IP Phones (that will have PC's attached to the phone).  Dell recommends using trunk mode for uplinks, and general mode for other devices, such as IP phones.  The PVID should be used for workstations and should match the vlan that you want the workstations to boot into, since most workstations cannot mark their own packets.  The PVID is the vlan that will always be used for hosts that cannot tag their frames, or for hosts that do not know what tag to use.

2 - If the switch port is configured as an access port, then anything that boots on that port is forced to be in the vlan assigned to the port.  If the host attempts to tag packets for a different vlan, then the host will never be able to communicate on the network unless the vlan id matches the port's vlan configuration.  With IP Phones, access ports should only be configured for them if they will be the only device on the port.  However, this defeats the advantages that users have to be able to move their phones anywhere in the building and have them work.  This is why we choose to set all PC/Phone ports as trunk ports.  

3 - Anything that boots on a managed switch port is by default in the untagged vlan if it cannot mark its packets.  On your dell switch, you must define the PVID as vlan 100, or workstations will never see the LAN (VLAN 100) through the phone.  The phone will tag its packets with VLAN 200 and the switch will honor this if you use the "switchport general allowed vlan add 200" command.  Also use the 'switchport general pvid 100" command in interface configuration mode to set the "untagged" vlan.  The phone will pass the workstation's frames through untagged so the workstation can communicate on the default network (vlan 100).  The phone must either be statically configured with VLAN 200, or it will obtain this information from DHCP or CDP (CDP capable devices will not work with Dell switches - DHCP must be used.  CDP is Cisco proprietary).



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