Question

Cisco IOS question related to CDP, voice VLAN autoconfiguration, and having voice and data on the same port

Asked by: carnesc

Environment:

Catalyst 3750s and 3560s
Multiple data VLANs, dedicated voice VLAN
Polycom IP phones, support CDP

Questions:

1. Given a single switch port configured for both an access and voice VLAN, why is the voice VLAN not detected unless CDP is enabled on the phone? What is CDP doing exactly?

2. Right now, I have to manually configure a switch port for both a data and voice VLAN for a phone and computer to work on the same line. The phone is always placed inline between the switch and the end computer. If a switch port is configured like this, though, the computer will not communicate on the LAN without the phone present. Also, adding the voice VLAN manually is required when a phone is introduced on a working data port where a phone had never been.

Is there a way to automate addition (and removal) of the voice VLAN command on a given port? In other words, given an already configured data port, how can addition and removal of a phone be made seamless so as to require no administrative intervention? I am seeking ease of administration but am also interested in learning potential security implications of auto configuration.

3. Security consideration for CDP specifically?

4. Any other ideas about how to streamline a musical phone scenario?

Thanks!

This Question has been solved and asker verified All Experts Exchange premium technology solutions are available to subscription members.

Subscribe now for full access to Experts Exchange and get

Instant Access to this Solution

  • Plus...
  • 30 Day FREE access, no risk, no obligation
  • Collaborate with the world's top tech experts
  • Unlimited access to our exclusive solution database
  • Never be left without tech help again

Subscribe Now

Asked On
2008-12-02 at 10:21:23ID23950627
Tags

Cisco

,

IOS

,

12.2x

,

Catalyst 3750 & 3560 voice and data VLAN configurations

Topics

Voice Over IP

,

Network Switches & Hubs

Participating Experts
2
Points
500
Comments
9

Trusted by hundreds of thousands everyday for fast, accurate and reliable tech support.

  • "The time we save is the biggest benefit of Experts Exchange to Warner Bros. What could take multiple guys 2 hours or more each to find is accessed in around 15 minutes on Experts Exchange." Mike Kapnisakis, Warner Bros.
  • "Our team likes having a resource that is more secure than just using Google and most experts using this service really know their stuff. It's nice to look here first versus using Google." Dayna Sellner, Lockheed Martin
  • "Anytime that I've been stumped with a problem, 9 out of 10 times Experts Exchange has either the accepted solution or an open discussion of the potential solution to the problem." Kenny Red, eBay Inc.

See what Experts Exchange can do for you.

Got a question?

We've got the answer.

Experts Exchange has been collecting answers to technology questions since 1996…3 million and counting! If you have a question, chances are we already have your answer.

Screenshot of Experts Exchange Knowledgebase

Need individual assistance?

Our experts are ready to help.

If you can't find the exact answer you're looking for, ask our exclusive community of 50,000 experts. You’ll get a personalized answer from a trusted professional.

Screenshot of Experts Exchange Knowledgebase

Want to learn from the best?

Read articles from industry experts.

Thousands of free tech tips, tricks, how-to’s and tutorials are available in our peer reviewed articles section. See for yourself how smart our experts are, no login required.

Screenshot of an Article

Working on a long term project?

Store your work and research.

Save solutions to your questions, answers you’ve discovered through searching plus helpful articles in your personal knowledgebase for easy future access.

Screenshot of Experts Exchange Knowledgebase

Access the answers to your technology questions today.

Subscribe Now

30-day free trial. Register in 60 seconds.

What Makes Experts Exchange Unique?

Members of the expert community talk about why the experience at Experts Exchange is different than what you will find anywhere else.

Trusted by the world's most respected brands.

image of each brand's logo

Faithfully serving IT professionals since 1996.

Experts Exchange Logo

Try it out and discover for yourself.

Subscribe Now

30-day free trial. Register in 60 seconds.

Related Solutions

  1. Voice VLAN
    Hello there; I have a catalyst 4006 as a core router on my network. I'm not a cisco guy so here is my question. Recently we purchased a linksys VOIP device (SPA8000) that we wanted to use for a soecific departemnt, the problem is that it does not work no matter which port us...
  2. Voice VLAN concepts
    Traning material has question: Suppose switchport is configured w/ access VLAN 10, voice VLAN 110, and native VLAN 99. The explanation does not make sense, as it seems the output they have, seperated on two different pages is some bad editing. as it shows sh run int fa1/0/...
  3. Configuring VOICE VLAN
    Newbie question - I have been asked to look at an unsupported VOIP install, as preperation i have taken a look at the cisco site http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/switches/lan/catalyst3560/software/release/12.2_20_se/configuration/guide/swvoip.html and need to fill in a few bla...
  4. Cisco 3524XL Voice VLAN
    Ok I have looked at and attempted everything I could. I can get my phones to work on my Cisco 3524XL but I can only get a single VLAN to work on each interface. If I do voice and access vlans nothing works. If I remove the voice and do just access it issues IP’s and regist...
  5. VLAN for VOICE & DATA
    I want to Setup DHCP LAN-POOL is for All computer, Laptop, Printer & Pool phone is for Cisco Wi-fi IP Phone & wired Cisco IP Phone so I setup DHCP as per below but i'm unable to Setup VLAN ip dhcp relay information trust-all ip dhcp excluded-address 192.168.8.1 192....
  6. Voice Vlan vs Data Vlan
    OK We are having a debate at work today. How does 802.1q, access vlan, and voice vlans work? What is the actual way a port knows to put a phone in the Voice vlan? Is it CDP or is it 802.1Q doing it? If it’s CDP how does it do it on a non Cisco switch. Thanks

Free Tech Articles

  1. WARNING: 5 Reasons why you should NEVER fix a computer for free.
    It is in our nature to love the puzzle. We are obsessed. The lot of us. We love puzzles. We love the challenge. We thrive on finding the answer. We hate disarray. It bothers us deep in our soul. W...
  2. SCCM OSD Basic troubleshooting
    SCCM 2007 OSD is a fantastic way to deploy operating systems, however, like most things SCCM issues can sometimes be difficult to resolve due to the sheer volume of logs to sift through and the dispe...
  3. Migrate Small Business Server 2003 to Exchange 2010 and Windows 2008 R2
    This guide is intended to provide step by step instructions on how to migrate from Small Business Server 2003 to Windows 2008 R2 with Exchange 2010. For this migration to work you will need the fo...
  4. Create a Win7 Gadget
    This article shows you how to create a simple "Gadget" -- a sort of mini-application supported by Windows 7 and Vista. Gadgets can be dropped anywhere on the desktop to provide instant information, ...
  5. Outlook continually prompting for username and password
    There have been a lot of questions recently regarding Outlook prompting for a username and password whilst using Exchange 2007. There are a few reasons why this would happen and I will try to cover t...
  6. Backup Exchange 2010 Information Store using Windows Backup
    There seems to be quite a lot of confusion around the ability to backup Exchange 2010 using the built in Windows Backup feature. This stems from the omission of this feature prior to Exchange 2007 s...

Cloud Class Webinars

  1. Avoiding Bugs in Microsoft Access
    Alison Balter takes and in-depth look at avoiding bugs in Access. In this webinar you will learn about using the immediate window to debug your applications, invoking the debugger, using breakpoints to troubleshoot, stepping through code, setting the next statement to execute, ...
  2. Top 10 Best New Features in Visio 2010
    Scott Helmers gives live demonstrations of the top 10 new features in Visio 2010. This webinar will teach you how to create compelling diagrams by adding shapes to the page with a single click, linking the shapes in a diagram to data in Excel (or SQL Server, or SharePoint), ...
  3. IT Consultant Business Secrets Revealed
    Michael Munger, Experts Exchange tech pro and IT consultant, pulls back the curtain on his very successful businesses and answers question on every IT consultant and business owner should know about. He shares secrets on what he did to solve the 5 most common problems in IT, ...
  4. Disaster Recovery and Business Continuity
    Quest CTO, Mike Billon, gives an overview of the steps involved in building a dunamic disaster recovery plan. Through case studies and an examination of software/hardware tooles for monitoring and testing, you'll gain a better understandin of where you are, where you want ...
  5. Organize Your Visio Diagrams with Containers and Lists
    Scott Helmers uses cross functional flowcharts, wireframe diagrams, data graphic legends and seating charts to teach you: how to ustilize all three new structured diagram components in Visio 2010, the best practices for organizeing shapes in previous version of Visio, how to organize ...
  6. How to Us Objects, Properties, Events and Methods in Microsoft Access
    Alison Dalter gives an in-depbth look at objects, properties, events and methods in Microsoft Access. In this webinar you will learn about using the object browser, referring to objects, working with properties and methods, working with object variables, understanding the ...

Join the Community

Give a Little. Get a Lot.

Join the community of experts here and help other tech pros by answering question in your area of expertise. You can earn FREE access to all Experts Exchange's premium features and resources.

Join the Community

Answers

 

by: ChopperCenturyPosted on 2008-12-02 at 11:03:12ID: 23079708

Here is a typical config for a PC and Phone to work on the same switchport....
interface FastEthernet#/#
switchport mode access
switchport voice vlan #
Also if you want to change the PC VLAN from the default, simply add the following...
switchport access vlan #
CDP has no bearing on either of these to work....CDP is just for discovery, letting you know what devices are connected to the ports.

 

by: carnescPosted on 2008-12-03 at 06:02:57ID: 23085894

Thanks Chopper, but I already know the typical port configuration. This is exactly what I'm doing. And regarding CDP, for whatever reason it is required with my Polycom phones; it plainly says so in the Polycom documentation, which I only discovered when my first phone just wouldn't work.

The thrust of my question was about autoconfiguration of the voice VLAN, i.e. autosensing a phone when it is introduce on an existing data port and configuring accordingly.

 

by: ChopperCenturyPosted on 2008-12-03 at 06:35:53ID: 23086177

Ok it sounds like the switchports need to operate in trunking mode if only one vlan is allowed to work at a time in access mode....try the following config on your switchport
switchport
switchport trunk encapsulation dot1q
switchport trunk native vlan 1
switchport trunk allowed vlan 1,2
switchport mode trunk
spanning-tree portfast

1=data vlan
2=voice vlan (update to your specific environment)

 

by: carnescPosted on 2008-12-03 at 13:43:47ID: 23090575

If I use that port configuration, does it mean traffic from both VLANs will be visible to both the phone and the computer, meaning could an attack on the PC potentially affect the voice network?

 

by: ChopperCenturyPosted on 2008-12-03 at 13:51:17ID: 23090649

 Trunk links are required to pass VLAN information between switches (in your case the mini switch in the phone). Access ports belong to a single VLAN and do not provide any identifying marks on the frames that are passed between switches. Access ports also carry traffic that comes from only the VLAN assigned to the port.
So to answer your question...yes.

 

by: ChopperCenturyPosted on 2008-12-03 at 13:54:28ID: 23090675

However, VLANs aren't going to fully protect your voice network in access mode either. If you have an intelligent attack against VoIP initiated on your Data network....the VLANs are only going to protect you against a limited number of attacks. Hence, the reason for so many security measures and various applications available for Voice networks and servers.

 

by: ChopperCenturyPosted on 2008-12-03 at 13:55:53ID: 23090693

Sorry to drone on about this....but one more thing. VLAN of Voice and Data and mainly intended for frame integrity/quality not security.

 

by: carnescPosted on 2008-12-05 at 08:02:04ID: 23105839

Will my trunking the switch port require configuring dot1q in the phone, or does this typically set itself up dynamically? I don't enter the phone configs, so I don't know what is in there generally. Also, I am waiting on a phone to test the above mentioned solution and assign points.

 

by: theitguyPosted on 2009-02-17 at 08:41:03ID: 23661464

hey guy,,

just to clarify...CDP must be enabled on the switches for the cisco phones to register with call manager as the using cdp is how the switches pass vlan information to the phones.....

this is a big gotcha in cisco CCIE Voice practical exam. ..

20120131-EE-VQP-002

3 Ways to Join

30-Day Free Trial

The Experts

98% positive feedback on 31,087 answers since March 2000. angeliii is a Microsoft Most Valuable Professional for his work with MS SQL Server & Develoment.

He has also proven his knowledge of Visual Basic Programming, PHP Scripting and Oracle Databases.

The Experts

97% positive feedback on 10,752 answers since July 2000. lrmoore has more than 18 years experience in the networking industry.

The six-time Mircosoft MVPs specialties include firewalls, virtual private networking, and network management.

Testimonials

"...and excellent source for support... Kind of like having your very own IT dept." Electriciansnet

Testimonials

"I was apprehensive at signing up at first. However... it has already made my life as an IT administrator much easier." JaCrews

Testimonials

"WOW! You guys have great, active, and knowledgeable people on here." moore50

Business Clients

Business Clients

In the Press

"If you’ve got a question... Experts Exchange can supply an answer.”

In the Press

"...an invaluable aid for both IT professionals and those who require tech support."

In the Press

"where IT professionals provide quick answers on just about any topic"

Business Account Plans

Loading Advertisement...