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How do I set up a WIFI LAN in a small school

Asked by: brownoaks97

I am assisting a small elementary school in setting up a LAN for students and staff. The school has comcast cable at 12 Mbps. I would like to set the school up totally WIFI because it would give maximum flexibility and most of their PC's will be laptops. They need about 35 stations. The school  walls are built from solid concrete block which I understand attenuates WIFI signal. The roof however is a flat Bitumen construction. I've attached a plan of the school. They want to be able to use the LAN anywhere on the campus, including the school play area.

Can you advise me on a cost effective solution - thanks

Can you advise me the most cost efficient way to put this in place.

                   

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by: motley74Posted on 2009-01-17 at 18:35:31ID: 23403429

I would recommend purchasing Linksys WRT54GL routers (make sure they have the L so you can change the firmware to add more advanced features), I think I have seen these around for about $70.  Depending on how many walls there are you may be able to get away with 2 routers, one upstairs near the center of the area to be covered and one downstairs near the center of the area to be covered or you may need to use 2 on each floor if there are lots of walls or they are very thick.  The WRT54GL router you can upgrade to the freely available DD-WRT and use the routers together as one network, the reason you can accompish this with these routers is because they are linux based rather that the proprietary system used on the others.

If you decide to go this route I could probably provide you with more details.

 

by: tommca4781Posted on 2009-01-17 at 18:55:32ID: 23403477

Your cheapest route will be to go with some soho style access points(ie. linksys, dlink, etc). If there is  connectivity already in the "admin & 3 classes" building you are all set and can just stick an access point there, if not your cheapest route would be a wireless bridge/repeater.

You will need to loosely connect these access points to Ethernet cables and do a sitesurvey with your laptop to get a feel for how the signal is propagated in the building/rooms; you can use program netstumbler for this site survey.

You will want to configure the access points as nodes on the network in the same subnet with the same SSID. The access points should also be on non-overlapping channels (ie. 1,6,11) and the signals should only overlap 10-15% (you can tweek the range on the gui of the ap).

Sounds like a fun gig, have fun!

P.S. If you do not have a dns cache/filter so the kids do not go to bad sites you should check into www.opendns.com to distribute via dhcp. The free service works well for blocking and monitoring various categories of sites and is in use by many of schools. (again...its free)

 

by: Darr247Posted on 2009-01-17 at 20:16:02ID: 23403711

While the economy model routers and DD-WRT is certainly cost-effective, the 3rd-party firmware would void the Linksys warranty on the routers and comes with no inherent support itself.
I'm not saying it couldn't be made to work, but in my mind there's no sense buying new routers and then immediately voiding their warranty (i.e. if you decide to go that route, just get a 6 or 8 used WRT54G or WRT54GS routers off ebay for $20-$35 each... 4 to deploy and 2-4 for backups).

Is the play area outside?

Anyway, I recommend the D-Link DWL-3200AP for indoors. http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=396
It's business class, but affordable. e.g. $140 each at newegg - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833127164
Metal cases, lockable mounts, controllable from a central location with the AP Manager software.

Outdoors I would go with their DWL-7700AP - http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=376 - Those are about $800, but they're nearly bulletproof.  Another way would be to mount one of the DWL-3200AP's indoors and just its antennae outside using RP-SMA extensions.

 

by: Darr247Posted on 2009-01-17 at 20:20:19ID: 23403726

Oh... here's a source for RP-SMA male to RP-SMA female extension cables - http://www.wifi-link.com/product.php?class1_id=225&class2_id=262&class3_id=325

 

by: brownoaks97Posted on 2009-01-17 at 22:46:30ID: 23404007

Folks,

First of all, thanks for such excellent responses. My special needs son just started in the school and I really appreciate your input.

The school have 4 routers at the moment albeit only 1 in use. They have two Linksys models WRT610N (B,G&N), plus an older linksys unit with 2 antennae (B&G) and a Belkin unit also with 2 antennae (B&G).

It seems to me that I could use these units perhaps supplimenting with additional unit(s) for the outside play area. I am not sure however how to connect the units to a single cable / modem. Is there an article you could reference that would help me with this?

Thanks all.

 

by: motley74Posted on 2009-01-18 at 08:22:03ID: 23405347

The problem you will run into with that method is those reouter they currently use willnot suuport the features to bridge them together to create one wireless network.  They will probably work for the wired connections if there are enough ports available for what you need but you will end up with 4 different wireless networks and people will have to choose which one to use and will have to lose their connection to connect to another network if they roam outside the range of the router they are connected to.

You may be able to re-use the linksys units if they support adding the third-party firmware (I will find out if they support the third-party firmware) that gives you the wireless bridge option or if the stock firmware (maybe the WRT610N, again I will find out) has the option to support it but I am pretty confident the Belkin will not work like this (although I have no experience with belkin routers so we might want to look into that).

Either way I think you should be able to get away with 2-4 routers depending on how much the walls impact the signal.  I am not sure what you mean by cost-effective but even if you had to buy all new routers at $70 each, $140-280 (plus whatever arrangements you have made for doing the work) spent to give the entire school reliable wireless access is pretty cost-effective to me.

 

by: motley74Posted on 2009-01-18 at 08:34:31ID: 23405383

I just did some looking and it looks like DD-WRT does support the WRT610N models so that may be the way to go if you feel comfortable changing the firmware on the routers to use them in this fashion.

FYI...I have been running this firmware on my WRT54G for over 2 years now and have not had a single issue with it and there are a lot more options (nothing like taking a $50 router and converting to compete with $200+ routers).

 

by: Darr247Posted on 2009-01-18 at 08:44:10ID: 23405426

> willnot suuport the features to bridge them together to create one wireless network.

If they have cat5e running to all of them, none need to use bridge mode. Just put them all on the same SSID, lock the 2.4GHz channels to 1, 6 or 11, disable 40MHz-wide channels on the WRT610N's, and there shouldn't be any problem having one big roam-able wireless network.

 

by: Darr247Posted on 2009-01-18 at 08:45:57ID: 23405436

Personally, I would not care to be responsible for voiding the warranty on the schools routers. If you want to buy routers for them and void the warranty on those that you buy, that's different.

 

by: Darr247Posted on 2009-01-18 at 09:31:09ID: 23405602

brownoaks97,
If you could open the layout in Paint (Start->All Programs->Accessories) and indicate thereon the approximate current location of each router, we could give better advice on channel allocation and optimum locations for additional routers or access points.

 

by: motley74Posted on 2009-01-18 at 10:39:17ID: 23405895

I agree that if you are worried about the warranties then this is not the way to go I am just giving a "cost-effective" solution that will work as asked.

Also as far as I know (I could be mistaken but if so then why would they have a specific bridge feature) setting them up on different channels and giving them the same SSID will not make them roam-able because the network connection on the system is setup to talk to a specific SSID using a specific channel and therefore will not connect properly to the other routers without disconnecting and reconnecting the to the different setup.

 

by: Darr247Posted on 2009-01-18 at 12:03:22ID: 23406221

> ... because the network connection on the system is setup to
> talk to a specific SSID using a specific channel ...

With windows wireless zero configuration, you cannot specify a channel for a network, and it will connect on any channel available. If the client's using another connection manager (such as Intel's PRO/set, Atheros ACU, et al), it may or may-not be possible to lock a network's profile to a certain channel. I know in ACU you *can* lock a profile to a certain channel (e.g. if you want to prevent roaming) or you can set it to Auto to allow roaming.

Locking a profile to a certain channel can actually lock you out if the AP is using DFS (required on 5GHz on all channels in the UK and EMEA, and on channels 52 and higher in the Americas) or if set to Auto-Select on 2.4GHz (the default setting on 99% of current home/SOHO routers and APs; channel 6 was formerly the prevalent default).

 

by: tommca4781Posted on 2009-01-18 at 15:33:12ID: 23407158

As I previously stated, buy your access points, set them the same SSID and on channels 1,6,11, overlap each of them 10-15% and your done. Buy whatever access point fits your budget, just try to buy the same brand and if critical and can spare the cash keep one for backup.

 

by: brownoaks97Posted on 2009-01-23 at 21:22:04ID: 23455221

Folks,

Thanks again for your input. The Wifi is set up in the school and working well. Based on your input I was able to connect the various routers very effectively.

 

by: brownoaks97Posted on 2009-01-23 at 21:26:47ID: 31535888

Thanks folks, really appreciate your input, best

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