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Conflicting Microsoft recommendations for DNS scavenging - looking for third opinions

Asked by: iistech

We have a large environment with Microsoft DNS and Windows 2000 AD. Since we have some client-related issues due to reverse lookups (discovery, for example), we are trying to figure out what the correct scavenging time should be. We have received conflicting recommendations from Microsoft, so I was hoping someone with larger environment experience might want to chime in on their opinions on the optimal scavenging times for stale records. I'm happy to set it to one day, per the SMS guy's recommendations, however, I am a little worried about how that will affect network traffic when the records are getting renewed so frequently (for forwards and reverses). We have a lot of mobile clients that go between buildings.

We have over 17,000 records in our DNS forward zone, and maybe 20% need to be purged. We have scavenging turned on and set to the default 7 days, and 7 days. There are some issues with this, but it's mostly OK. On the reverse zones, however, we have many that don't have scavenging at all, and there are literally thousands and thousands of old pointer records. We have tons of subnets, so there could be 15,000 or more records that need to be scavenged.

I need enable scavenging on all the reverse zones, which I can probably script with DNSCMD. Again, my main concern, because I can find no docs on this, is the effect of the record renewals happening so frequently.

We have DC's with DNS all over the place - 55 in all. Maybe 5000 users, and maybe 8000 or 9000 workstations and servers.

We will probably not do scavenging, or at least maybe pick a different time period for scavenging on server nets. But for the client nets, we will probably go with a one day period.

Anyone have any thoughts on this? I'm curious to see what others have done.

Thanks.


Rob "I"


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by: orizivPosted on 2007-06-26 at 23:23:41ID: 19370097

Assuming you are using a forest,
How about filtering the reverse lookup records?
I think that records don't belong to the local domain can be purged after one day as you're SMS guy recommands.
I'd keep the default settings for the local domain members

 

by: Chris-DentPosted on 2007-06-27 at 00:08:59ID: 19370244


Hi Rob,

Generally speaking it makes most sense for the Aging Intervals to be approximately equal to your DHCP Lease length for all Dynamically Updated zones. After all, most of the record changes and duplicates are caused by changes in DHCP clients.

With the 7 Days No-Refresh and 7 Days Refresh mentioned above that would work well with a 14 Day DHCP Lease. The two Intervals run in order, No-Refresh then Refresh, which means a record will always exist for the duration of the DHCP Lease as a minimum.

For large networks such as yours you may find it makes sense to increase the No-Refresh Interval as the expense of Refresh (lets say 10 Days No-Refesh and 4 Days Refresh if the Lease is as long as 14 Days).

I'm not sure how familiar you are with the Scavenging Process, but No-Refresh is there simply to minimize unnecessary Replication Traffic. It stops a Refreshed Timestamp being replicated around your network everytime a client checks in but doesn't exclude the Update Command. As soon as a client performs a successful Refresh on entering the Refresh Interval the timer is reset and the record is back in a No-Refresh state.

The minimum you can realistically set for this is 1 Day for each Interval. Any lower and Service Records registered by the Domain Controllers will be removed, those are only Refreshed once in every 24 hour period.

The environment I work on is similar in size to yours. We made several changes to reduce the overhead of managing DNS including the Scavenging changes. As well as that we consolidated the majority of the Reverse Lookup Zones into a single Zone as each is under the Class A Private Range, 10.0.0.0 which we replicate to our Forest rather than having hundreds of smaller zones.

Chris

 

by: iistechPosted on 2007-06-27 at 22:50:30ID: 19378383

Christ-Dent:

I totally agree with everything you said, and I am familiar with the scavenging process. What I am really curious about is, if we set it to the recommended one day (actually it's got to be two, with the refresh), and our DHCP leases are one day, then even with the no refresh period, a lot of records will be refreshing every day, versus the 7/7 period we have now. Maybe it's negligable traffic, but I am not a networking expert with a sniffer.

I like what you did with the reverses. Someone did that with the 10.x.x.x net before I started, but others had also created 10.x.x.x subnets and delegations, and we also have a ton of 172.x.x.x and 192.168.x.x subnets. Thousands and thousands of IPs in use. I am not sure how I can consolidate at least most of the subnets into a single zone, but we are looking at doing that. I need more DNS expertise.

Thansk for the comments.

-- Rob --


 

by: Chris-DentPosted on 2007-06-28 at 07:05:47ID: 19380778


The traffic won't be so high it's off the charts, but you will get a fairly significant increase in the amount of data replicated via AD (as that's where the DNS Zones are stored).

In my opinion longer DHCP Leases are much more useful than short, but that position depends entirely on the number of device changes you have to IP hosts.

For the Reverse Lookup Zones I did a bit of scripting to pull the data from the current zones then rewrite it into a new one. Quite a lot of messing around to get that far - dynamically registered records were dropped entirely during the copy as they very quickly reappear from the client.

Chris

 

by: iistechPosted on 2008-08-07 at 01:28:31ID: 31484226

Thanks for the comments. I decided to not worry about the traffic as much, because I am going to implement some changes after we upgrade to Windows 2003, which is more efficient with replication traffic (generally) that Windows 2000 AD. We will do some less formal monitoring  to see how the replication traffic changes. We are also going to implement a DNS appliance solution at the end of the year which will greatly improve things.

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