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Deploying dhcp to workstations in workgroup

Asked by: hafka

We have server 2003 with AD and DHCP roles.
At the moment DHCP provides ip's only for the workstations which are members of the domain. Workstations that are members of workgroup are unable to get IP settings from DHCP. The goal is that all the hosts get needed settings wheter they are members of domain or not.

winver command shows that the Server2003 version is 5.2 build 3790 sp2

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2008-05-13 at 09:36:54ID23398525
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Answers

 

by: hypercatPosted on 2008-05-13 at 09:49:47ID: 21556902

What's actually happening on the workgroup clients?  Are they getting APIPA addresses? Have they been on the network awhile or just been added to the network?  The reason for the questions is that there is no requirement for domain membership in order for a client to get a DHCP address from the server.  Provided that DHCP is configured and operating properly, you should be able to attach any client workstation to the network without domain membership and it will still get an IP address.

 

by: cmcoadminPosted on 2008-05-13 at 09:49:54ID: 21556903

Any computer that is physically attached to the network and that is set to obtain an IP address should get one, regardless of whether they are on the domain or not.

 

by: KCTSPosted on 2008-05-13 at 09:55:09ID: 21556956

Just make sure that the TCP/IP settings on the clients are set to "obtain IP address automatically" and DHCP will issue them with an IP regardless of wether they are on  a domain or not.

 

by: hafkaPosted on 2008-05-13 at 10:01:05ID: 21557007

Workstation used to have static IP:s and everything worked perfectly. Now when workstation is in a workgroup and configured to obtain IP-settings from dhcp, they only get APIPA addresses. (169.254.x.x)

Procurve switch also does not get the IP address trough DHCP which is reserved to it by MAC-address.

 

by: hypercatPosted on 2008-05-13 at 10:03:38ID: 21557031

If you do an ipconfig /release and then ipconfig /renew, what happens?  Do you see any errors in the event log on the workstation or server?  Is there any hardware other than the switch between the workstations and the server (i.e., a router)?

 

by: hafkaPosted on 2008-05-13 at 10:08:35ID: 21557081

KCTS: Hosts are configured to obtain IP address and DNS automatically. Only APIPA is assigned.

On the dhcp server every ip in the pool is resever by client mac-address.

 

by: hypercatPosted on 2008-05-13 at 10:11:06ID: 21557105

OK - well that's the problem. If you don't have any free IP addresses in your pool, then your workstations can't obtain an IP address.  If you are actually using all of those reservations already, then you will have to extend your scope.  If you are saying that you have reservations set up for those particular workstations and they aren't working, then try removing the reservations to free up the IP addresses and see if the workstations can obtain an IP address without a reservation.

 

by: hafkaPosted on 2008-05-13 at 10:18:17ID: 21557178

On our network we have to use the MAC-address reservation for security reasons.  But maybe I could test that tomorrow (only for temporarily).
IP-addresses are reserved also for workstations which are not memebers of the domain.

Is it possible for workstation in a workgroup to obtain the IP-settings from DHCP if MAC-address reservation is used?

 

by: KCTSPosted on 2008-05-13 at 10:27:57ID: 21557275

if you reserve all the IPs with MACS then it rather defeats the object of DHCP, but yes, if you just specify the MAC of the workstation you can reserve one for it.

Why not use DHCP classes instead of reserving all IPs

 

by: hypercatPosted on 2008-05-13 at 11:26:41ID: 21557833

The reservations should work as long as the MAC addresses are correct and as long as you don't have any duplicate MAC addresses on your network.  However, just for a test I recommend you give it a try without the reservations.  

You might want to also check your DHCP log files and see if you can determine whether the workstation requests are actually getting to the server and what's happening to them.  The logs are located on the DHCP server at %systemroot%\system32\dhcp.

 

by: hafkaPosted on 2008-05-14 at 05:25:08ID: 21563312

Here is some of the dhcp log from server:

11,05/13/08,18:32:13,Renew,10.18.39.14,L514.luokka5.local,0007401EFB96,
31,05/13/08,18:32:13,DNS Update Failed,10.18.39.14,L514.luokka5.local,-1,
30,05/13/08,18:32:16,DNS Update Request,14.39.18.10,L514.luokka5.local,,
11,05/13/08,18:32:16,Renew,10.18.39.14,L514.luokka5.local,0007401EFB96,
31,05/13/08,18:32:16,DNS Update Failed,10.18.39.14,L514.luokka5.local,-1,
11,05/13/08,18:46:49,Renew,10.18.39.22,L522.luokka5.local,00A024CC24E2,
11,05/13/08,18:47:15,Renew,10.18.39.23,L523.luokka5.local,00074033D34C,
11,05/13/08,18:55:09,Renew,10.18.39.18,L518.luokka5.local,0007401F1449,
11,05/13/08,18:57:40,Renew,10.18.39.19,L519.luokka5.local,00074033DB0E,
11,05/13/08,19:05:59,Renew,10.18.39.11,L511.luokka5.local,00074032EE1D,

For reasons unknown there is no information about workstations that are not members of the domain. They still try to get the Ip- and dns-settings from dhcp. Is there a log on the workstations that could also help?

I try temporarily allow dhcp without mac-reservations tomorrow and report the results then.

 

by: hypercatPosted on 2008-05-14 at 08:20:17ID: 21565178

If there is no information about the non-member workstations, then they are not able to reach the DHCP server for some reason.  I would confirm this by testing - go to a workstation and do an ipconfig /release and then ipconfig /renew.  Then, go to the DHCP server and re-check the logs immediately to be sure there's nothing there showing any communication from that workstation.

If you still don't see anything, then something is blocking the communication between the workstations and the server.  If the switch also doesn't get an IP address, then what hardware is between the switch and the server - another switch, a router?

 

by: hafkaPosted on 2008-05-15 at 09:52:18ID: 21575722

Now everything works witn mac-reservations. i don't know what the problem was.

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