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Difference between server permissions

Asked by: dealstrike

Hey all, on our Windows Server 2003 server...when I right click on a shared folder's properties there is a Permissions button under the Shared tab and a Security tab

What is the difference? If I want a domain user to have access to that folder which one should I give him permissions under?

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2009-11-02 at 09:38:28ID24864460
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Answers

 

by: oBdAPosted on 2009-11-02 at 09:42:30ID: 25721573

Use the Security tab to control permissions, and set the permissions in the Share tab to "Full Control" for Everyone.
You'll notice immediately that the permissions in the Security tab are way more fine-grained than the one in the Share permissions.
Share permissions are a relic of operating and file systems without security, to achieve at least a bit of security for remote access.
Do yourself a favor and don't mix them (the more restrictive one will win). Use NTFS only; unlike Share permissions, these will apply if the user is logging on locally as well.

 

by: wdurrettPosted on 2009-11-02 at 09:43:01ID: 25721582

BEST PRACTICES ACCORDING TO MICROSOFT
• Use NTFS permissions when possible and use share permissions
on FAT or FAT32 volumes only.
• Avoid using both share and NTFS permissions. The results can be
confusing, unpredictable, and difficult to troubleshoot.
• Assign permissions to groups, not individual users.
• Assign the most restrictive permissions possible.
• Avoid specifically denying permissions to a shared resource.
Only do so if you need to override specific permissions already
assigned.
• Limit membership to the Administrators group, as this group
has full control permissions by default.
• Avoid changing the default permissions for the Everyone group
when possible. The Everyone group includes numerous other
groups and your results could be unpredictable.
• Never deny access to the Everyone group because that group
includes Administrators. Instead, remove the Everyone group
rather than specifically denying the Everyone group.

 

by: oBdAPosted on 2009-11-02 at 09:44:28ID: 25721597

Oh, and do yourself another favor: never, ever, add individual user accounts to permissions, unless there is a really good reason to do so (like in home or user profiles). Otherwise, give permissions to groups, and add users to the respective groups.
To go by the book and Microsoft's best practice, use AGDLP:
AGDLP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGDLP

 

by: dealstrikePosted on 2009-11-02 at 09:45:31ID: 25721612

which one is classified as ntfs? Security tab or sharing/permissions button?

Thanks

 

by: oBdAPosted on 2009-11-02 at 09:46:25ID: 25721629

"Security"

 

by: pzozulkaPosted on 2009-11-02 at 10:09:09ID: 25721854

Additionally, by default under the Share tab, you will see the everyone group as having full control. It is good practice to remove the Everyone group, and replace with the Authenticated Users group, giving full control.

Everyone group, includes absolutely everyone, including users who were not authenticated by kerboros. It is a more secure practice to instead use Authenticated Users, which means when a user logged onto his/her machine, that users must have been authenticated by Windows (ie. entered username/password).

 

by: dealstrikePosted on 2009-11-02 at 10:21:11ID: 25722018

Sorry, a bit confused...if i want an AD group to have access to that folder...where should i add the group

 

by: pzozulkaPosted on 2009-11-02 at 10:21:35ID: 25722022

Under the Security tab.

 

by: dealstrikePosted on 2009-11-02 at 10:29:28ID: 25722101

Ok...so far this is what I understand

1) Security tab is NTFS permissions

2) Under sharing/permissions button only Authenticated Users with full control should be there

3) Anytime I want to add a user or group for permissions it should be under the security tab?

Correct?

 

by: wdurrettPosted on 2009-11-02 at 10:30:28ID: 25722113

Yes

 

by: dealstrikePosted on 2009-11-02 at 10:32:27ID: 25722132

Say for example...I have given a user permissions through sharing/permissions but not through security....can he still access that folder from another pc?

 

by: wdurrettPosted on 2009-11-02 at 10:39:10ID: 25722207

No

 

by: dealstrikePosted on 2009-11-02 at 10:40:00ID: 25722222

Ok, so basically these days the sharing/permissions tab is only used for access is logging on locally on the pc itself?

 

by: oBdAPosted on 2009-11-02 at 10:46:13ID: 25722296

No. NTFS permissions apply *always*, because they're a part of the file system object that the users are accessing.
*Share* permissions are only applied if a user accesses a file using this exact share. They are not applied if the user accesses the same file through another share or locally.

 

by: dealstrikePosted on 2009-11-02 at 10:52:32ID: 25722359

Ok, but instead of giving the user 'share' permissions using the exact share, cant you do that in security tab as well?

 

by: oBdAPosted on 2009-11-02 at 10:56:02ID: 25722398

That's what I've been saying from the very beginning: Give Everyone Full permissions on *share* level, and use NTFS permissions *only* to control access.

pzozulka,
by default, the Everyone group has only "Read" permissions as share permissions on W2k3, not "Full".
And the "Everyone" group does NOT include "absolutely everyone" in W2k3. The Everyone group includes Authenticated Users and the Guest account. The Guest account is disabled by default in W2k3, so it usually doesn't make a difference whether you're using Everyone or Authenticated Users. Just try yourself to access a share opened to "Everyone" on a remote server when logged on as a local user.
"On computers running Windows Server 2003 operating systems, Everyone includes Authenticated Users and Guest. On computers running earlier versions of the operating system, Everyone includes Authenticated Users and Guest plus Anonymous Logon."
Well-known security identifiers (special identities)
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc780850(WS.10).aspx

 

by: dealstrikePosted on 2009-11-02 at 11:06:26ID: 25722512

Thanks all, one more question: security tab permissions are called NTFS permissions...so what are the permissions under sharing/permissions button called?

 

by: juicebigelohPosted on 2009-11-02 at 11:10:33ID: 25722553

I know this is rather simplified, but it sometimes helps my clients when I explain file share permissions.

Think of the Share as the front door of a house, and think of NTFS Security as a lockable bedroom door. In order to get to the objects inside the bedroom (folder), you have to get through the front door first, and then the bedroom door. The share level is represented by the front door because, if you dont have rights there, it doesnt matter what rights you have to the bedroom door (the folder), or the files and folders (objects) behind it.

If you are accessing objects through a share, the combonation of share and file (NTFS) permissions are taken into consideration when you access objects within that share.  For instance, if the share permsissions are Read Only,  you wont be able to save or modify objects within , even if you have full NTFS rights. Likewise, if you have RWX share level rights, and read only on the objects within, the same condition applies.

I hope this clears it up for you; it can be quite confusing.

Cheers,
Juice.

 

by: oBdAPosted on 2009-11-02 at 11:10:56ID: 25722560

Well, "Share permissions".

 

by: oBdAPosted on 2009-11-02 at 11:19:06ID: 25722654

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