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Install WIndows Server 2003

Asked by: zolf


Hello there,

I am new to windows server and i am planning to setup win server 2003 in a company to be able to run a software i have written.
the company has around 10 local users and around 10 remote users who will be using my software.
I tried for test purpose to install server 2003,at one stage it asks me for type of licence.i did not know which one to select.also later it ask me to select workgroup or domain.usually i should have selected domain,but then it asks for username password.please help me to setup my server.appreciate your help.

cheers
ZOlf

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2009-11-02 at 22:13:32ID24866242
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Windows 2003 Server

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by: hutnorPosted on 2009-11-02 at 22:23:23ID: 25726448

Hello

Do you know what licenses you got for the server? Looks like you will be needing 20 CALs if you pick per user.

When first installing a server I always go with workgroup even if it is going on a domain. You can then join it to the domain after the install of the OS is finished.
If these clients are on a domain then you will be join this seerver to the domain as well I assume.
If there is no domain then workgroup will be fine & you can always create yourself a domain to use later.

 

by: wolfcamelPosted on 2009-11-02 at 22:32:17ID: 25726477

comes back to why you want server to run your software?

if you set up a domain you will have a bit more work to do on the workstations, and need to setup user accounts and security, but this is the best way to go in the long term.

the point of having a server is to control shares and security.

You may also consider setting up a terminal server for your remote users to run your software - but there are a lot of complexities here also.

come back a step and tell us what you are really hoping to achieve

 

by: abhijeet11160Posted on 2009-11-02 at 22:35:20ID: 25726488

Hi Zolf,

while installing server 2003 ,kindly make a note of 14 digit serial key that will be required while installing,that should be mentioned by on the back of the server 2003 cd cover,at the later point of time u would require the same to be activated either through internet and the whole process is very user friendly.

as of now u can select work group and install the software,After confirming the admin user name and password from your domain /system admin(also confirm which domain should be configured),u can add the server to domain by following the below process.

Right click on my computer---> properties ---->go to computer name---->click change to add the system to domain---->select the icon from workgroup to domain and provide the domain name---->on clicking ok,it will prompt for user name and password(this is domain admin user or a previlaged user given the rights to do so)--->the message would flah that u have sucessfully goined to domain.

do note me for any issues u face regarding the same..

abhijeet

 

by: wolfcamelPosted on 2009-11-02 at 22:43:05ID: 25726518

it also matters if you are joinging an existng domain - or creating a new one.
ie is this the first server in a new domain?

 

by: zolfPosted on 2009-11-02 at 22:46:30ID: 25726533


thanks for the comments.

can i have a workgroup option selected and still have Active Directory,Terminal Service,DHCP on the server.Or i need to use Domain for this features.

 

by: zolfPosted on 2009-11-02 at 22:47:45ID: 25726536


I do not have a domain and it is a new setup.

can anybody help me understand two license.i do not understand it.

 

by: hutnorPosted on 2009-11-02 at 22:49:35ID: 25726544

Active Directory is what makes the domain.

You can have the other running without.

Per user means 1 licenses for every user on your netowrk

Per device means 1 license for every device that a user logs onto.

 

by: zolfPosted on 2009-11-02 at 23:01:54ID: 25726579


Per user means 1 licenses for every user on your netowrk

Per device means 1 license for every device that a user logs onto.

what is the difference between the two.i mean each user has a device or each device has a user.so i do not see the difference between the two.is there any adv over the other.

>>You can have the other running without.
without what

 

by: wolfcamelPosted on 2009-11-02 at 23:05:04ID: 25726590


you could have one pc that several people log into - per device = 1 license, per user = several

you could have one user who has two pcs, a mobile phone, and a laptop - per user=1license, per device = 4

 

by: wolfcamelPosted on 2009-11-02 at 23:07:04ID: 25726599

new setup - then you need to decide what you really want to achieve and how you are going to manage it.
active directory will give you control over each user and pc, but you will need to learn a few things along the way.
just a server in a workgroup is much akin to having a share on a PC -but with performance and flexiblity features.

 

by: hutnorPosted on 2009-11-02 at 23:11:12ID: 25726611

Oh sorry not making this clear for you

To get active directory you need a domain. DHCP will work without the domain.
I think terminal services should run without domain as well.

For the license it works like this.

If you have 1 PC & 5 users loged onto that one PC then you buy a device CAL because it is cheaper then getting 5 user CALs.

If you have 1 user logging onto 5 different PCs then you would by a user CAL instead of device CAL.

You only need to get one type depending on what is cheaper option for you - User or Device


Hope this was explained ok?

 

by: zolfPosted on 2009-11-02 at 23:26:57ID: 25726659


as i have mentioned in my first comment.i will have approx 20 users logging into the server 2003 device.
so i need to get device CAL,correct?

>>To get active directory you need a domain.
but when you are setting up a server for the first time we do not have a domain.correct?
so first we setup a domain and then setup AD.can you please show me some tutorial were it tells me how to create a domain and then AD.

Appreciate everybody's help

 

by: hutnorPosted on 2009-11-02 at 23:39:00ID: 25726711

Hello

AD will get install when you set up your domain.

Yes I suggest you get device CALs - they are easier to manage as well.

You do not need to worry about doing anything with the domain when you are installing the server.

Once you have the server install & are logged in as the administrator you can follow these steps.

Before you configure your server as a domain controller, verify whether or not:

TCP/IP configuration settings for the server are correct, particularly those used for DNS name resolution. For more information, see To configure TCP/IP to use DNS
All existing disk volumes use the NTFS file system. Active Directory requires at least one NTFS volume in which to store the SYSVOL folder and its contents. FAT32 volumes are not secure, and they do not support file and folder compression, disk quotas, file encryption, or individual file permissions.

To configure a domain controller, start the Configure Your Server Wizard by doing either of the following:

From Manage Your Server, click Add or remove a role. By default, Manage Your Server starts automatically when you log on. To open Manage Your Server, click Start, click Control Panel, double-click Administrative Tools, and then double-click Manage Your Server.
To open the Configure Your Server Wizard, click Start, click Control Panel, double-click Administrative Tools, and then double-click Configure Your Server Wizard.
On the Server Role page, click Domain Controller (Active Directory), and then click Next.


Also have a look at this - It has nice little pictures

http://www.visualwin.com/AD-Controller/

 

by: zolfPosted on 2009-11-03 at 00:24:57ID: 25726913


hutnor,thanks so much for your insight.

one last question about license. if a user has two machine i.e. laptop and desktop,then the device license will consider it as 2 user.correct.
with device license unlimited users can connect to the server 2003 machine or it is limited to concurrent users

 

by: hutnorPosted on 2009-11-03 at 00:36:24ID: 25726972


No problem. I do not understand your question but will explain what I think you are asking about.
>>one last question about license. if a user has two machine i.e. laptop and desktop,then the device >>license will consider it as 2 user.correct.
>>with device license unlimited users can connect to the server 2003 machine or it is limited to >>concurrent users

If the user has a laptop & a PC you will need 2 device CALs - one to cover the laptop & another to cover the PC
It would be better to get a user CAL for this. But this will make licenseing more complex & harder to manage if you get device & user CALs.

If you get 20 device CALs you can have 20 users connected to the server at one time.

If you have 30 staff they could all use the same PC and connect to your server under one device CAL.

Also you can only buy CALs in a packs of 5. You also get 5 CALs with the server. You will need 15 more device CALs for your 20 staff.

 

by: wolfcamelPosted on 2009-11-03 at 00:38:12ID: 25726977

licensing:
it is not about the server - it is about the machines they are connecting FROM.
1 server: 10 workstations, 50 users - either 10 device CALS or 50 USer CALS
1 server, 5 users, 10 workstations 5 user CALS or 10 Device CALS

 

by: wolfcamelPosted on 2009-11-03 at 00:39:00ID: 25726983

oh - and it is for cocurrentlt connected - so you can often get away with a few less than you ay think

 

by: wolfcamelPosted on 2009-11-03 at 00:41:27ID: 25726993

again -
5 device cals - 5 devices can connect at any one time (any user can use them)
or
5 user CALS - 5 different users can concurrently connect - but one user could be logged into 3 devices such as a PC, laptop and phone

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