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When moving a file from one share to another, the security rights of the file stay on the old share it's rights

Asked by: PatrickAdrichem

When moving a file from one share to another, the security rights of the file stay on the old share it's rights

Say we've got share_a, this share is for support_users (group), and for support_admins (group) both modify rights
next we've got share_b. this is just for support_admins

Now the support admin makes a file, on share_b, but decides it should be on share_a for all the support_users.
so it cuts the file from share_b and pastes it on share_a.

What happens is that the support users cannot access the file because it is still locked on the rights of share_b.
eventough rights are based on a per share level.

Anyone got any idea why this happens? and how to solve it

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2008-04-21 at 08:01:13ID23339766
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Microsoft

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Small Business Server

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2003

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SBS Small Business Server

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Windows XP Operating System

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Windows 2003 Server

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Answers

 

by: masa77Posted on 2008-04-21 at 08:03:46ID: 21402598

With robocopy you can copy files with or without permissions, robo copy is found from windows 2003 server resource kit

 

by: KCTSPosted on 2008-04-21 at 08:10:05ID: 21402666

When you COPY a file then a new copy oc created - the copy will inherit the permissions from the new parent folder.

If you CUT and PASTE the file within the same partition the file is simply moved scross folders, so it retains any existing permissions it had.

 

by: tgerbertPosted on 2008-04-21 at 08:14:31ID: 21402715

I was under the impression that when you copied a file, or moved a file to another disk, it would inherit the permissions of the destination folder; and when you moved a file within a disk it kept it's original permissions.

So I guess the answer is copy the file, then delete the original (or use robo copy).

 

by: tgerbertPosted on 2008-04-21 at 09:58:44ID: 21403756

Yep, that is precisely what you said. ;)

(sorry, I got interrupted while typing my post - I actually started it before yours)

I'm not sure xcopy is useful in this situation, as the point is to NOT preserve NTFS security (the new copy needs to inherit permissions from it's folder), and to MOVE the file - not copy it.

 

by: PatrickAdrichemPosted on 2008-04-21 at 12:41:01ID: 21405212

Well is there a REAL solution to this problem, because what KCTS said, is exactly what i concluded, thats why i'm only talking about cutting.

The thing with robo copy xcopy etc. is the fact that 1. Its a copy, and they don't want to copy.
2. They are users, they barely know how their e-mail works. (and thats not a joke!).

 

by: tgerbertPosted on 2008-04-21 at 12:44:37ID: 21405238

Copy the file (instead of cut), delete the original.

 

by: PatrickAdrichemPosted on 2008-04-21 at 13:04:31ID: 21405429

And how would you explain that to about 500 users? lol

 

by: tgerbertPosted on 2008-04-21 at 13:48:00ID: 21405860

On the PC's you wish to alter this behavior, add a DWORD value named "MoveSecurityAttributes" with a value of 0 to HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310316/en-us

 

by: masa77Posted on 2008-04-21 at 22:21:31ID: 21408248

In robocopy you can move files also, with /Move parameter

 

by: PatrickAdrichemPosted on 2008-04-24 at 06:12:27ID: 21430385

Adding:

On the PC's you wish to alter this behavior, add a DWORD value named "MoveSecurityAttributes" with a value of 0 to HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer.

Does not work.

Or should I add this to the server registry?

 

by: tgerbertPosted on 2008-04-28 at 08:47:44ID: 21455086

In my little test it's the client's setting that's significant, although the KB article specifically says this settings doesn't apply to windows 2000 - your client PC's aren't Win 2k, are they?

 

by: tgerbertPosted on 2008-04-28 at 08:48:21ID: 21455094

And you're talking about moving a file from \\server\share\foldera to \\server\share\folderb, or \\server\share1 to \\server\share2?

 

by: PatrickAdrichemPosted on 2008-04-28 at 09:48:45ID: 21455536

both.

 

by: PatrickAdrichemPosted on 2008-04-28 at 09:49:51ID: 21455545

Oh and:

Zones:
SBS Small Business Server, Windows XP Operating System, Windows 2003 Server

 

by: PatrickAdrichemPosted on 2008-07-02 at 01:45:58ID: 21914452

I did not find a solution to this,
so far we just told them to use save-as in a program.
still does not always work, since most users eather tend to forget or a new within the company

 

by: KCTSPosted on 2008-07-02 at 01:56:55ID: 21914502

Sorry but the anser to this question is that there is no answer - that is how NTFS works. When you copy a file always inherits the permissions of the destination folder, when you move a file within a patrition  it keeps original permissions. You can't modify this behaviour

 

by: tgerbertPosted on 2008-07-02 at 12:34:03ID: 21919825

You can modify this behavior (with some exceptions).

Using the registry key I described above, with a Windows Server 2003 server and Windows XP SP2 client, I conducted a simple test.  I accessed shared folders using UNC path names, and tested moving (by right-clicking and choosing "Cut") a test file both between \\Server\Share1\FolderA & \\Server\Share1\FolderB, as well as between \\Server\Share1 & \\Server\Share2, and in both cases my test file inherited permissions of the destination folder.

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