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Local Application will not run with firewall client installed

Asked by: rvanwyck1

I have an application that runs on my local PC.  It uses web services on 127.0.0.7:88 (yes 88, that is not a typo)  .    I have SBS 2003 Premium on my network.

My problem is this:  When I have the ISA Firewall client installed, the application errors out.  If I disable or remove the firewall client it works as designed.  

I need to create a rule in ISA that allows this traffic to pass.  Any help would be appreciated.  

Bob

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by: pwindellPosted on 2009-09-25 at 12:19:54ID: 25426297

There is no rule to create.

You just simply exempt it from using the Firewall Client.

You need to know the executable of the Application that the process "happens" under.  (like "mywierdapp.exe").

Then on the ISA go into the MMC
1. <isaName>--Configuration---General---Define Firewall Client Settings
2. Go to the Application Settings Tab.   Click "New" at the bottom
3.   Application   =   myweirdapp  (do not include the ".exe")
     Key   =   Disable
     Value   =   1

Back on the workstation,...disable, then re-enable the Firewall Client.  The change may not take effect immediately.  In a worse case it may take 30 minutes,...but disabling-reenabling should spped it up.

 

by: rvanwyck1Posted on 2009-09-25 at 12:44:50ID: 25426570

I must apologize the application uses 127.0.0.7:88.  I have discovered on other thing.. the application will not function when the firewall client is installed... period.  As soon as I rmove the client (and set the proxy settings back to none) it works.  

Any suggestions would be appreciated

 

by: pwindellPosted on 2009-09-25 at 12:53:24ID: 25426650

If the firewall Client is install,...but disabled,...and then you remove the browser's proxy settings,...it will probably work with the FWC installed.

Try that, let me know.

 

by: rvanwyck1Posted on 2009-09-25 at 13:07:52ID: 25426784

Let's try this for a 3rd time.  The application uses web serverices on 127.0.0.1:88.  I have tried both suggestions.  If I remove the proxy settings in IE the application will run, as long as the firewall client is disabled.  As soon as I re-enable the firewall client, the proxy settings reappear and the application does not work.

I have also exempted the application from ISA.  

 

by: rvanwyck1Posted on 2009-09-25 at 13:11:33ID: 25426818

To be clear.. I am very aprreicateve of any help.  The previouss "Let's try this for a third time" is in reference to my ability to get 127.0.0.1 correct in the commentsl

 

by: pwindellPosted on 2009-09-25 at 13:21:15ID: 25426886

Let's try this for a 3rd time.  The application uses web serverices on 127.0.0.1:88.  I have tried both suggestions.  If I remove the proxy settings in IE the application will run, as long as the firewall client is disabled.  

I've been doing this for a while.   I know what you said,..what you meant,...what it is doing,...and pretty much,..why it is doing it.  There are steps to solving these things,..I don't tell people to change things all over the place until I am faily sure about it and what it will do or what it will cause.  If you don't follow the steps I say,..and do it the way I say,...you probably won't get the results you want.

As soon as I re-enable the firewall client, the proxy settings reappear and the application does not work.

Of course it does.  This was a troubshooting step,..not a final solution.

The final solution is to leave the FWC setup in the ISA MMC just as I said.  The reason it did not work with this alone is because you STILL have the proxy settings in the browser.  So:....

1. Keep the FWC exemption as I described.
2. Add "127.0.0.1" or "127.0.0.7" (or whatever the thing really uses) to the Intranet Zone in the settings of IE.  That is Intranet,...not Internet. You have to click the Advanced button to get to the place to do that.   Don't  add the port number,..it is not important.

Now with the FWC exempted (but still enabled) and the IP# added the Intranet zone in IE it should work.

 

by: pwindellPosted on 2009-09-25 at 13:22:53ID: 25426906

You can also add the IP# to the Exemptions box in the browser's proxy setting page,...but I doubt you need to do that.

 

by: pwindellPosted on 2009-09-25 at 13:23:59ID: 25426914

To be clear.. I am very aprreicateve of any help.  The previouss "Let's try this for a third time" is in reference to my ability to get 127.0.0.1 correct in the commentsl

Ok,...no problem.

 

by: pwindellPosted on 2009-09-25 at 13:29:27ID: 25426957

Background on IE.

IE does not handle IP# in the URL properly when it also has proxy settings at teh same time.  Adding the IP# to the Intranet zone usually corrects thats.

The application in question appears to leverage the Proxy Settings in IE,...so it suffers from the problem caused by IE.

Another solution is to stop using the IP# and use "localhost:88" instead.

It is possible that the FWC was never getting in the way itself but it was the proxy settings in IE causing the problem,..that were being "pushed" there by the FWC when it was enabled.

 

by: rvanwyck1Posted on 2009-09-25 at 13:45:02ID: 25427091

I added 127.0.0.1 to the intranet as well as the firewall cleint exclusion, as well as (just to make sure) 127.0.0.1 to the local addresses on the proxy.

Still not working......What elese should I be lookin for?

 

by: pwindellPosted on 2009-09-25 at 13:47:30ID: 25427106

What exactly it this thing we are dealing with?  I am going to have a tought time troubleshooting an Application that I can't see with my own eyes or know anything about.

Anything that was properly designed using proper standards would have already worked by now.

 

by: rvanwyck1Posted on 2009-09-25 at 14:02:40ID: 25427230

Unfortunately it is a banking application.. and my experience with them is that they are troublesome.  The only other piece of information that I have, is that it connects to a  "mini Web site"  (the manufacturers words) when you launch the ap.  The "mini web site" is on the local host.  

According to the manufacturer, the "mini web site" is not provided by any standard web software, but they utilize their own

 

by: keith_alabasterPosted on 2009-09-26 at 12:03:27ID: 25431092

I assume you have the ISA2004 sp3 installed on the SBS box and it is fully patched up?
Please open the ISA gui - click monitoring - logging - start query
What do you see in the log when the access attempt is made and the firewall client active?

 

by: pwindellPosted on 2009-09-28 at 06:32:11ID: 25439150

LocalHost meaning the SBS box? (that is what ISA calls itself)

Or do you mean local host as the user's workstation?

I am assuming the user's workstaiton,...meaning the goal is to make sure that the ISA never gets involved.

 

by: rvanwyck1Posted on 2009-09-28 at 06:33:59ID: 25439163

Correct, The application runs on a workstation.  When I refer to localhost, I am referring to the local workstation.

 

by: keith_alabasterPosted on 2009-09-28 at 06:34:27ID: 25439168

localhost as in the SBS/ISA Server

 

by: keith_alabasterPosted on 2009-09-28 at 06:35:45ID: 25439178

sorry - thought youwere talking to me

 

by: rvanwyck1Posted on 2009-09-28 at 06:37:58ID: 25439198

I will turn the monitoring on and see obtain a log to see if I can see where the ISA server is blocking traffic.  And yes... the box is SBS fully patched with ISA SP3

 

by: pwindellPosted on 2009-09-28 at 06:56:09ID: 25439342

I will turn the monitoring on and see obtain a log to see if I can see where the ISA server is blocking traffic.  And yes... the box is SBS fully patched with ISA SP3

Of course it is blocking it.

The point is not to get the ISA to allow it. The point is that the traffic should never go to the ISA to begin with,...the ISA should never ever even see it.

 

by: rvanwyck1Posted on 2009-10-01 at 10:34:10ID: 25471059

I ended up just uninstalling the firewall client.  Thanks for all of the help

 

by: ee_autoPosted on 2009-11-08 at 01:22:19ID: 25769908

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