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from Win NT4 and Win 2000 pro to Wind XP

Asked by: 4591

Hello Experts
My question is simple.
Will programs I have & use on Windows 2000 pro and some from Win NT4
work on Windows XP ?
I'm thinking of upgrading from W2K to Win XP, but I don't want to buy all
my programs again.
I'd like to be sure before upgrading.
Most Adobe programs I have are still very expensive.
What do you think experts

Thank you in advance

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2008-09-14 at 09:18:33ID23730200
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by: DMTechGrooupPosted on 2008-09-14 at 09:28:29ID: 22473263

Chances are they will work but there is no guarantee.  If the system runs fine now as W2K then why upgrade?  Plus if you have already upgraded from Workstation to W2K then yet another upgrade is probably not wise.  Do you have the disk to reinstall?  If so try them on another XP machine first.

 

by: BillDLPosted on 2008-09-14 at 09:55:01ID: 22473371

It depends what programs you are talking about.  All the major Microsoft Office releases up to 2003 (can't speak for 2007) will run fine in Windows XP.

Roxio Easy CD Creator I DO know to be a problem.  Version 5 and 6 run fine in Win2000, and although both are supposed to run in XP, neither do.  They install OK, but then crash the system and cause numerous problems.  Version 5 was caught at the stage where it was Win98/2000 compatible, but they never got it running stable in XP.  Despite claiming that a "fix" addressed this, they brought out version 6 and that was riddled with problems when run in XP.

The Windows P CD has a function that tests the PC's readiness for Windows XP:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307726
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/295322/
http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_sg_ua.asp
but all the links to Windows XP-related downloads are rapidly being changed to Windows Vista ones, so we have to hunt for links.

Personally I would borrow someone's Windows XP Setup CD and allow it to autorun.  When the "Welcome to Microsoft Windows XP" page shows, click  "Check System Compatibility".  That opens a new page where you click "Test my system automatically".  It will give you a report once done.  Avoid the options that would install Windows XP on your system as an upgrade.

Another option for larger applications like Adobe Acrobat Writer is to consult the "Readme" files in the packages.  Chances are that you have older versions released before XP was released though, in which case the Readme may not make mention of XP.  This is the reason that many people use a test computer running the new operating system and install their applications to test compatibility before migrating.  Perhaps you know somebody with a PC running XP who would be prepared to allow you to use it as a test machine and later wipe and reinstall it after you finished testing.

I'm NOT in the habit of suggesting illegal workarounds, BUT if you don't have such a test PC but have a spare PC capable of running XP and know someone with a full Windows XP Setup CD, then you could install it on your spare PC for a limited time and ONLY for the purposes of testing it.

You would be prompted to Activate it, but you SHOULD NOT do this or it would fail and may end up blocking that genuine CD Key from future activations.  The idea here is to run the system illegally for a few days, during which you install and test the various programs on it, then you format the hard drive.

In general, programs and applications that run in Windows 2000 will run OK in Windows XP, because the operating systems are similar.  Windows NT is very old now, and programs that were released back then may not run or even install in XP.  Windows XP allows you to run programs in "Compatibility Mode", and this is sometimes successful but you don't know until you try it.

One other issue you must be aware of is whether your HARDWARE has drivers available for Windows XP.  Many of the drivers released for Windows 2000 work with XP, but not all.

I suggest running the Windows XP Compatibility test from someone's XP CD as a first step.

 

by: BillDLPosted on 2008-09-14 at 10:03:09ID: 22473397

Another issue is that you should really upgrade Windows XP to at least Service Pack 2 to get the security patches and hotfixes installed.  XP SP3 is out, and I've had no problems, but some have and prefer not to install that.

An application that may run in Windows XP may not run in SP2 or 3.

 

by: leewPosted on 2008-09-14 at 10:30:50ID: 22473490

I would suggest getting and using imaging software such as Acronis True Image.  This will allow you to create an imaged based backup.  Then, install XP.  If it doesn't work, you can restore the imaged based backup and continue to work in 2000.

In my experience, the vast majority of programs will run fine on XP.  XP was actually a relatively minor upgrade to 2000 - 2000 was a major upgrade from NT.

(Before they started using years to name things, 2000 was NT 5.0 and XP is (if you type ver on an XP system's command prompt), 5.1.  Vista is 6.0 and 2003 is 5.2)

 

by: avgavgPosted on 2008-09-14 at 23:48:02ID: 22476272

4591:

'Will programs I have & use on Windows 2000 pro and some from Win NT4
work on Windows XP?

The simple answer is yes because Windows XP and Windows 2000 are built using the same NT4 kernel.

All older Adobe products including Photoshop will work on XP (though vice-versa will not work).

Good Luck!

 

by: leewPosted on 2008-09-15 at 00:03:42ID: 22476328

avgavg - that's not true - it's a differnet kernel BASED on the NT kernel.  Just as Vista is based on the NT kernel as well - it's been modified greatly, but it's still based on the NT kernel.

 

by: BillDLPosted on 2008-09-15 at 01:23:54ID: 22476581

4591
I believe you have by far the best option suggested by leew.
A full image of the hard drive would allow you to restore the system back to what it was, and the benefit of then testing XP on that same PC is that you will also be testing the hardware plus the drivers along with your applications in XP.  Testing it on another PC may not reveal a potential problem that could appear on your current PC.

 

by: avgavgPosted on 2008-09-15 at 04:27:45ID: 22477483

4591:
leew:

For what it is worth, my comment was based on practical experience as systems administrator having done exactly what you would like to do.

Most compatibility problems on migrating from NT4 and Win 2000 or Win 2K Pro to XP are usually hardware related (simply a matter to installing the correct drivers for the upgraded OS) and not software related.

I have not faced any upward compatibility issues with shifting software that has been running on NT4 or Windows 2000 Pro to Windows XP and can vouch for most Adobe products including Photoshop, Pagemaker and Premiere.

Good Luck!


 

by: leewPosted on 2008-09-15 at 11:23:05ID: 22481400

avgavg:

I agree - the vast majority of software will work fine, what I disagreed with was your statement that they use the same kernel.  That is untrue.  They are BASED on the same kernel, but the kernels are different.

 

by: avgavgPosted on 2008-09-15 at 20:13:25ID: 22484559

leew:

My comment was '... built using the same NT4 kernel...' (perhaps I should have said built around the NT 4 kernel).
 
The NT kernel essentially remains the same (the internal version number for Windows 2000 was originally Windows NT 5.0 and Windows XP was version NT 5.1 as I am sure you know) though, of course, kernel improvements have certainly been introduced with each new OS version to reflect developments in hardware technology.

The kernel improvements from NT4 to NT 5.1 are mostly limited to larger file handling, multi-processor and better memory capability.

Cheers!

 

by: leewPosted on 2008-09-15 at 20:27:30ID: 22484609

avgavg,

"the internal version number for Windows 2000 was originally Windows NT 5.0..."
yes, I said essentially that in my very first comment in this post.  

To settle this - I have personally seen issues with NT4 compatible software running on 2000 and XP.  Not MANY applications have problems, but there have been some.  I'm not sure where you get your information regarding the kernel improvements between versions - I may well have read about them, but it's far from fresh in my mind.

But ANY kernel changes COULD affect applications.  Service Pack 1 to Server 2003 included kernel changes that DID break applications.  If you don't recall this, see page 57 of December 2006 Windows IT Pro's article on SP2 which references the changes in SP1.  (Windows IT Pro InstantDoc 93761, which I just read).

My point is that reading your description suggested it was the SAME kernel - NO CHANGE - which is false.  Yes, it's BASED on the same kernel... just like a second edition of a book is based on the first edition.... but it's NOT the same.

 

by: avgavgPosted on 2008-09-15 at 20:36:21ID: 22484645

4591:

'...programs I have & use on Windows 2000 pro and some from Win NT4...'

Why don't you post the names (and version numbers) of the programs that are currently running on NT4 and W2k that you need to make sure will run on XP?

 

by: 4591Posted on 2008-09-15 at 21:45:17ID: 22484961

Hello to you all,
Why upgrading from W2K to Win XP when the system runs fine now as W2K.

I do not want to do that (don't fix if it's not broken)
but I want to have a new computer built (back up),
however; it is possible that drivers for hardware for W2K cannot be found,
(as most of the experts noticed here)
so I would have to go for Win XP before those drivers
would run out. I think I still could get them, no so sure about W2K.
That's why I posted the question in case I was forced  to buy XP.
I have all Adobe 9 programs bought between 1998 - 2002
Flash 5 & 8 & a lot of other older programs.
but no Microsoft products except for OS & IE7(forced on us).
All application & W2k are fine since I installed them in 2004( touch wood).
I don't need new versions of any of my programs and spend thousands of dollars
again on the same programs with a few new features I don't need
nor I would use.
Thank you for all your suggestions. I will read them closely then choose one
or two this week.
I also, will post another question about Pentium 4 3Gb if can be replaced
with any new processor because some of my applications ask specifically
for Pentium. First I have to find out what motherboards & processors I can still
buy these days that will run W2K. But this is another question.
A big thank you to all of experts who replied here so far.
Ps.
I know all about names Win NT 4.0, NT 5.0 & 5.1.
Still when I go in W2K explore Win > help > about Win > I can see Window Version 5.0

 

by: avgavgPosted on 2008-09-15 at 21:53:27ID: 22485006

All versions of Adobe products that run on W2K and Macromedia (now Adobe) Flash 5 & 8 will run on XP.


 

 

by: 4591Posted on 2008-09-16 at 05:50:41ID: 22487794

Hello,
I forgot to ask you forgot to tell me, if it made the difference for my old programs from W2K
when I upgrade to Win XP 32 bit or 64 bit.
Do you think all my old program versions would work on both 32 bit or 64 bit XP ?
Do I have to stick to Win XP 32 bit ?
Thanx

 

by: leewPosted on 2008-09-16 at 11:13:53ID: 22491424

XP 64 does not support 16 bit apps so if you use any old 16 bit programs, they will not work.  In addition, some 32 bit apps use 16bit installers - these will not install.

 

by: 4591Posted on 2008-09-23 at 02:40:42ID: 22547649

Hello,
I thought I would have a new machine ready with Win XP pro on it by
last Saturday, then I would tell you for sure if all my programs were running.
No such luck... Perhaps it will be ready this week.
I choose a BillDL's answer, because is the first & most comprehensive.
I believe I have no need for an option suggested by leew, although
it is a good one in different circumstance.
Thanks to avgavg & DMTechGrooup as well for reinsuring me that
NT & W2K's programs should work on XP.... I will find it out for sure soon.
Thanx again to all for your participation & helpful input.

 

by: BillDLPosted on 2008-09-23 at 05:39:14ID: 22548544

Thank you 4591

 

by: leewPosted on 2008-09-23 at 06:09:23ID: 22548797

4591,

Are you then suggesting that the comments of myself and others DID NOT HELP YOU AT ALL?  If they did, you should have split the points among those whose comments assisted you.

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