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Joined Domain, can't logon. Windows Vista & NT4 Domain

Asked by: kgjertsen

Hi all,
Bit of a strange problem, but any help will be useful, as we've just spent all day getting nowhere.
We have a new vista machine which we have joined onto our NT4 domain
(Having first added the workstation to server manager and changed two local security polices -
- Domain Member: Digitally Encrypt or sign secure channel data (always) - change to disabled
- Network Security: LAN Manager authentication level - change to "Send LM and NTLM - use NTLMv2 session security if negoitated")

We now want to logon to the domain with the vista workstation, when we try to, we get the following error:
"The trust relationship between this workstation and the primary domain failed."

Now, We are pretty sure we are using the right user credentials so we are at a loss? Any help will be appreciated.
Thanks

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Answers

 

by: slam69Posted on 2008-04-30 at 05:15:47ID: 21469929

doesnt sound like the domain has been joined correctly. in your ad ha sthere been a computer acount created? you may need to create it manually

 

by: kgjertsenPosted on 2008-04-30 at 05:27:39ID: 21470022

Certain we have joined the domain correctly. There is no AD in NT4, but there is Server Manager so that is where we have added the workstation.

 

by: slam69Posted on 2008-04-30 at 05:38:35ID: 21470108

well the problem def lies withinin the security negotiation between the machine and the domain.

im guessing you have unjoined taked it out of server manager and rejoined?

 

by: kgjertsenPosted on 2008-04-30 at 05:45:19ID: 21470151

Yeah your correct, done that a number of times now, but to no avail.

 

by: slam69Posted on 2008-04-30 at 05:57:10ID: 21470231

check the following link tells you a user was having a few issues like yours. turns out the order you join the domain and make the policy change son the machine has an effect on whether it joings correctly. you may need to unjoin an dthen rejoin in the process listed in the post.

let me know

http://www.petri.co.il/forums/showthread.php?t=12516

 

by: ocon827679Posted on 2008-05-01 at 11:08:39ID: 21481026

You have NetBIOS enabled on the Vista machine?  This is a must, NT communicates via NetBIOS.  

Do you have a NetBIOS name resolution solution in place?  WINS?  lmhosts?  (DNS and/or hosts file does you NO good in NT)

You said that you used server manager to add the machine to the domain.  Did you then join the domain from the machine? (you didn't mention that you did this - or I missed it)  Just adding the object to server manager will not work.


 

by: richardson167Posted on 2008-05-02 at 02:43:32ID: 21485465

To join the domain, try this, in this order:

1. If Windows NT Security Enhancements are installed on the PDC, ensure that they have been lowered.

2. Add the workstation to Server Manager manually.

3. Check in the local security policy on the Vista machine that "NTVLM2 responses only" is set to "LM and NTLM - use NTLMv2 session security"

4. Reboot workstation.

5. On the Vista machine Local Security Policy, disable "Domain Member: Digitally Encrypt or sign secure channel data (always)"

6. Reboot workstation.

7. On the Vista machine Local Security Policy ,Set Domain Member: Require Strong (Windows 2000 or later Session Key) to disabled.

8. Join the domain from the workstaiton.

9. Raise NTSE again on the PDC.

10. Reboot and login to the domain.

 

by: kgjertsenPosted on 2008-05-02 at 03:50:25ID: 31453754

This fixed my problem.  Thank You.

 

by: slam69Posted on 2008-05-05 at 11:17:51ID: 21501869

err that post above is pretty much exactly what i put in my link nice will remember who to help again ;o)

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