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HPFS NTFS

Asked by: Marshall

When I try to install win95 I get this message "HPFS or NTFS is installed need a dos boot partition to install windows".Is this some sort of compression? what exactly does it stand for,also when I format it trys to recover allocation number (123...)on and on.I had this problem awhile ago but can't remember what I did (I guess I should keep notes because this happens to me alot I have a problem it takes several hours to figure out and six or eight months later I run into the same thing and dummy me wastes several hours trying to figure out whats wrong.

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    Answers

     

    by: aleinssPosted on 2000-01-26 at 18:11:00ID: 2391283

    HPFS - High Performance File System (used by OS/2)
    NTFS - New Technology File System (used by Windows NT)

    Error basically means that Windows is not seeing the hard drive or the hard drive has Non-DOS partitions and thus Windows can't install.  Are you using EZ-BIOS?  If you boot from a floppy and not via EZ-BIOS, Windows will only see Non-DOS partitions, because EZ-BIOS has to translate them correctly.  

    Run FDISK.  What does it show?  Also, run SCANDISK.  A IDE hard drive should NEVER have bad clusters, no matter what *anyone* says on this board.  Some will blame loose cables, heat, etc.  If SCANDISK finds or marks clusters with a red B in a black box, your hard drive is going bad.  A low level format is a coverup and will NOT ultimately solve your problem, which is a failing hard drive.

     

    by: aleinssPosted on 2000-01-26 at 18:12:40ID: 2391287

    FYI, to those recommending LLFs, this is only useful for MFM and RLL hard drives, not IDE, even though you can "LLF an IDE hard drive".

     

    by: MichaelMarchPosted on 2000-01-26 at 21:15:25ID: 2391710

    Find the application Delpart, this can remove any partion out there.  Every tech should have it!

    Btw, it's Shareware.

     

    by: aleinssPosted on 2000-01-26 at 21:21:31ID: 2391720

    gdisk (part of norton ghost) does the same thing and I don't think it's time limited or "nagged".  All command line driven, but very powerful.

     

    by: kind4mePosted on 2000-01-28 at 10:31:03ID: 2397611

    You could also use the dos utility fdisk (this will dstroy any data on the drive) At a c prompt type fdisk
    say yes to large disk support (this makes the file system fat32 instead of fat16 if you say no to large disk support)
    go to choice 3
    then to choice 4
    delete any and all non dos partions

    now you should be back to the first screen choose option 1 (create dos pation or logical dos drive)
    Next choose option 1.  Follow the instrcutions.  If it tells you one exists that's ok, go back to the first screen again and choose option 3 (set active partion and make it active.

    Now restart your computer and format the c drive (command is format c: at the dos promt)

    Hope this helps

    As Always
    Mr Happy

     

    by: trekie1Posted on 2000-01-29 at 08:38:32ID: 2416381

    marshell
    when you format and it trys to recover allocation units ,you do in fact have bad clusters  and that is a sign that your HD 'MAYBE' going bad
    you can repartition all you want but your still going to have those bad clusters. you have several options;
    #1 you delete and repartition HD, format (and this is going to take awhile trying to reallocate those units) then run  scandisk and it will mark the bad clusters for nonuse, then reinstall your os (
    #2 when you format and it starts wanting to recover allocation units right from the start ( replace HD )
    #3 low level format ( I agree with Aleinss ) low level format is a make or break utitily, it sometimes repairs a drive but usely turns it into a trotline weight

     

    by: MarshallPosted on 2000-01-29 at 12:25:14ID: 2420482

    I guess I'll try the LLF since it trys to recover allocation units from the start, I'll let you know what happens monday.

     

    by: srose6Posted on 2000-01-30 at 23:54:12ID: 2456141

    Going fishing if not stay away from low level format or you will have that trotline weight trekie1 was speaking of. Please check our profiles we have all been there.

    Do a simple DOS level format after booting to a floppy. This will require a bootable floppy with format.com.

    I have been trouble shooting hard drives for years. If you do a simple DOS level format using the FORMAT ?/U "? being the drive letter" It will attempt to recover any lost allocation units during the format. According to MS this switch is not needed because this is done by default now but I still use it. If it tries to recover even one allocation unit power down pull the drive and go buy another because the drive is going bad. There are people that will tell you to let it tag the allocation unit and use the drive and that is probably what happened last time. Well these things are like a fungus and once they start it is only a mater of time before it grows and spreads. If this is the case get that trotline and get another drive.

    The one you have may be under warranty, if so just call them and tell them it is trying to recover lost allocation unit during a DOS level format and they will send you another.

     

    by: MarshallPosted on 2000-01-31 at 17:28:20ID: 2476628

    I tried the LLF because I was out of options, it didn't work, lots of bad sectors. I once accidently used a recovery disk from one hard drive on another of a different size had the same allocation problem and the hard drive was reported as the wrong size,I tried fdisk, format still reported wrong, finally I think I used fdisk from dos 6.0 and it worked.But alas I believe this one is going to make a fine tackle box accessory:)

     

    by: aleinssPosted on 2000-02-11 at 07:33:32ID: 2511693

    How are we coming on this problem?

     

    by: MarshallPosted on 2000-02-11 at 15:14:43ID: 2513166

    Hard drive was gone awarding you points just for coming back and asking.

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