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No access to key folders in Vista

Asked by: Bert2005

Runnig Vista Ultimate Upgrade installed clean over Vista Ultimate Upgrade -- learned that trick in Experts Exchagne but thought that may be pertinent to the discussion.

Installed Office 2007. Installed AVG antivirus. Everything was working. Installed Outlook OneNote 2002 -- way cool.

Then I tried to download Adobe Reader 8.0, and it kept telling me I couldn't access the temp folder. Somehow, by downloading it again, I could install it.

Then the weird stuff happened. I couldn't open Outlook due to not being able to access the .pst file. I tried everything -- had already turned off UAC. Turned it back on in case. I tried giving permissions to Administrator and my user, but I already had permissions. The path to Outlook was the Users/Application Data/Local Setting Settings which seems the reverse of XP. Anyway, when I tried to open Application Data or Local Settings it gave this rude error that I had no addess to those folders. Very strange.

Overall, I am not really liking Vista. Am I judging it too quickly?

Thanks

Maybe Microsoft is having the last laugh on the workaround clean install?

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by: jd2066Posted on 2007-04-02 at 17:41:41ID: 18840544

Bert2005 wrote:
> Anyway, when I tried to open Application Data or Local Settings it gave this rude error that I had no addess to those folders.

This is due to the fact that those folders are actually junctions meant just for older applications to access. You should open the folders those point to.
A list of junctions in Vista and their targets is here: http://www.svrops.com/svrops/articles/jpoints.htm
Justin

 

by: ve3ofaPosted on 2007-04-03 at 01:49:45ID: 18841953

The default location for your outlook.pst is: c:\users\username\appdata\\roaming\microsoft\outlook

 

by: MaDMaRTiGaNPosted on 2007-04-03 at 02:34:10ID: 18842092

Well, you shouldn't have turned off UAC in the first place. Guess you didn't like the warnings but UAC does more than only nagging you.

Acrobat Reader 8.0 is not fully Vista compatible and will not install when UAC is turned off. UAC also provides some layer of virtualization to the applications you run. When the application tries to write to the Program Files folder for example, it will redirect this action to a folder in your user profile (see your %USERPROFILE%\AppData\Local\VirtualStore folder). The installer is probably trying to write to a temp folder other than your %temp% which points to a folder in your profile.

The access denied errors you encountered are as jd2066 said caused by the fact those folders are actually Junction Points and the folders you were looking for are located in a different spot.

I'm running Vista Enterprise x64 since December with UAC turned on all the time. In the beginning I had to get used to the UAC prompts, but when I had my system and additional software installed, these pop-ups only appear every now and than and not really bothering me any more. I like Vista very much, although there are still some issues to be solved...

 

by: Bert2005Posted on 2007-04-03 at 17:28:29ID: 18847799

Thanks everyone. Very helpful. A few comments from this Vista newbie to those who have used it longer.

1. I did notice there was a "shortuct" arrow on these "junction points." But, how would the average user know about junction points? My guess is one could read about it someplace prior to using it, but many people, like myself, like to open the package and learn from doing -- or from asking E-E.
2. Would it not be easier for Vista to give the message, "The Junction Points are in Vista for backward compatibility of pre-Vista applications. Pre-Vista applications (applications written for XP and 2000) look for folders that are no longer used in Vista. Please click here for more information," than to give the error message, "You do not have access to these folders." Sure, they seem to help with backwards compatibility with XP and 2000, but that same reasoning would make most users logically assume that they can click on these.
3. I am not so sure why it is terrible to turn off UAC. Does it really get better after adding more applications. Ironically, to add more applications, you have to click those "Are you really sure you want to download this. Are you really sure you want to install this? Haven't you seen the funny commercials about the PC guy and the Apple guy? They actually make fun of UAC on there. I am not sure how adding more applications will change anything, but I will take your word for it. Message to Microsoft: I already know three very knowledgeable Vista users (programmers, IT professionals who dumped Vista for XP solely due to the UAC.
4. Someone told me turning off UAC disables you from using Active X. Is this true.

I meant to say OneNote 2007 above rather than 2002.

I am not putting down Vista or any comments made above. I certainly understand it better and will try things out and give it more time. Just food for thought. I appreciate your input and time.

 

by: jd2066Posted on 2007-04-03 at 17:44:02ID: 18847852

1 & 2: From the few questions about it here I would guess the average user would not know. I agree a better error message would be helpful. Though I think those junctions are flagged as hidden and system so they probably thought the average user wouldn't see them.
3: I'm not sure. I think though it is good to have it turned on though as in theory if you got a Virus or something it couldn't do system wide damage without your approval.
4: I don't think so.
Justin

 

by: Bert2005Posted on 2007-04-03 at 17:51:27ID: 18847873

Justin,

Good points. I would say though, that one would have to barely more than an average user to turn on Hidden Files and Folders, Show full paths, and show extensions.

I will have to try with UAC, but it does drive me crazy. With good firewalls (hardware) and an antivirus program, I have only gotten a couple of viruses in ten years.

I really don't want to uninstall after the upgrade over the upgrade thing. That was just too cool.

Now, if I could only find someone who knows anything about Cisco PIX routers, lol.

 

by: jd2066Posted on 2007-04-03 at 17:55:08ID: 18847883

Bert2005 wrote:
> I already know three very knowledgeable Vista users (programmers, IT professionals who dumped Vista for XP solely due to the UAC.

That seems a bit silly to me as UAC can be turned off.
I would use Vista for one UAC feature though, the file/folder virtualization.
I'm not using Vista right now though because of hardware compatibility and I started using Linux a little while ago.
Justin

 

by: Bert2005Posted on 2007-04-03 at 18:10:41ID: 18847936

Linus cool.

What is file/folder virtualization? Is it like roaming profiles on SBS 2003 (probably a dumb question). How does the virtual PC work? Do you just set it up or do you actually need to have XP or 2000 on there?

"That seems a bit silly to me as UAC can be turned off."

But, when I mentioned that "Mad" seemed to get a little mad, lol.


 

by: jd2066Posted on 2007-04-03 at 18:28:27ID: 18847970

The file/folder virtualization is a feature where when programs that are not elevated try to write to a folder like Program Files or Windows and it writes the files to the user's profile. I like this feature as it means configuration files from programs that don't write to the user's profile end up there anyway. Then the files are organized and I only need to backup my profile to get my configuration and not other places too.
This feature may not be that exciting to other people. I just like having my files and configuration in a central place instead of scattered around the drive.
Justin

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