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Going from old PC on XP to new one with Vista - What's best preparation?

Asked by: photoman11

Hi EE,

After enough problems on the old PC, I've sprung for a new one with 64 bit Vista. I currently have my data backed up on an external. I'd like some advice since it has been A LONG TIME since I bought a new PC.

I'll have it in about a week, so what would you recommend in the way of preparation, to make the transition as smooth as possible? I know almost nothing about Vista, so unless there's some sort of good tutorial that normally comes on the PC when that OS is installed, can anyone recommend a link to a summary of the really important points and differences from XP (from ease of use more than a real technical point of view)?

In addition, the things I'm most interested in are the following:

1. I have a number of software applications that were downloaded in zip format from the web (no original CD). I'm assuming those should load ok (other than possible driver issues). My REAL CONCERN IS for a number of applications that I got through a "download of the day" site. These are promotions by the manufacturer and must be downloaded AND installed during the day they are offered, or they won't install.

Is there anything that can be done to save these applications to be able to transfer to the new PC? I have the zip files, but am afraid they won't work since it's after the "offer" date. Any ideas?

2. Where are all the browser settings, favorites, user profiles, etc usually kept? Going from XP to Vista, will there be ways to "bring these over" without loss?

3. As for transferring the bulk of my data, my plan is to copy from my external backup drive to the new PC, through a normal USB connection. Except for time (Assuming it will take forever for about 200GB), is there anything I should watch out for?

4. I've heard that if a virus gets into a Vista machine, it could be a disaster due to the OS being stored on the drive, not a CD. Not sure about all this, so what should I be aware of and do about creating a boot copy?

That's about it for now.

Thanks from a very nervous buyer.

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by: garycasePosted on 2009-07-03 at 17:40:26ID: 24775085

The best preparation you can do is what you've already done -- think about what you need on the new system; backup all of your data;  and be sure you have the installation media for all the programs you want to install.     (Be sure you've got all those .ZIP downloads on your external backup drive.)

Beyond that,  I'll offer a few comments on each of the questions you listed ...

(1)    The downloaded .ZIP archives for these should let you install them with no problem.    I'd think this is also true for your "download of the day" utilities ==> it's unlikely they only install on the day of the download ... they were probably just available for downloading on those days.    If, in fact, they will only install on the specified day, just disconnect the internet connection;  set the date to the appropriate day (check the datestamp on the download);  and install the program :-)      If that doesn't do the trick (I'd be VERY surprised if you even need that "trick" ... and if so I'd be further surprised if it wouldn't work), then you may need to buy an application like Laplink's PC Mover, which should easily move them to the new system.

(2)    These are the easiest things to transfer.    Just run Vista's "Widows Easy Transfer" wizard and answer the questions :-)      You will, of course, need to connect the two PC's together ... but you can do this by simply connecting them each to your router.

(3)    Transferring your data via the external drive is fine.    Since you've already got it on the drive, I presume you don't have any files larger than 4GB ... a frequent issue with external drives (which tend to be formatted with FAT32 for PC/Mac interoperability ==> the solution to eliminate the 4GB file size limit is to simply reformat them with NTFS).

(4)    If your new system doesn't come with a recovery DVD, then do one or both of these BEFORE you do anything on the system:  

   (a)   See if there's a utility to generate a set of backup DVDs.    Many systems allow you to write one set of backup DVDs to protect you against catastrophic failure or corruption of the hard drive.    The restore partitions on new systems are certainly convenient -- but hard drives can (and do) fail, so it's a good idea to burn the backup DVDs as soon as you get the system.

   (b)   Make an Image of the C: drive using any good imaging program.    I like Boot-It NG, but it's a bit "geeky".    Acronis TrueImage is another excellent choice ... and is perhaps a bit more user friendly.    Note that an image is actually better than restore DVDs ... since it will include any programs you've installed;  updates you've done; etc.      I would definitely make an image of the system AFTER you've got everything transferred;  all of your programs loaded;  all Windows Updates applied; etc.    This image of your "new, clean, fully loaded" system will then give you the ability at any time in the future to restore the system to that state if you should have a hard disk failure or major corruption.


One final comment:    Vista x64 is very stable these days .... the two service packs have made it a very nice OS.    HOWEVER, there ARE still a few 32-bit applications that don't "play well" with 64-bit OS's.    Hopefully none of yours are in this category ... but be prepared for the possibility that they won't work.      There ARE workarounds for most problem applications -- either compatibility mode, or running them in virtual PC's.     But wait until you get the new system nicely set up before worrying about any of these -- if you encounter problems don't panic ... just post a note here and we'll help you get them running.

 

by: photoman11Posted on 2009-07-03 at 18:37:11ID: 24775288

Garycase,

Thank you so much for your advice and my "Vista-itis." A few comments on your suggestions:

(1) Actually, the "Download of the day" is pretty bad about dates. I recall downloading an application on the day of release, forgetting about it and trying to install it 2 days later. I got a message saying that it won't work now that the date is past. This happened again with a different application too, so they are strict with the dates.

The thought of changing dates on a new PC sends shivers down you-know-what. It's probably a no-brainer for you, but for Nervous-Nelly here, not so much. Is Laplink's PC Mover able to take an application with all its respective registry dll's, etc and move it to a new OS? Would that be better than transferring my data from backup drives?

(2) I don't have any router. I have a high speed internet cable connection and 2 stand alone PCs. Will the wizard work only if the PCs are linked via a router?

(3) If you mean INDIVIDUAL FILES larger than 4 GB, definitely not.

(4) Are there any good imaging programs that are Open Source or free? Would the image be done onto a DVD or a backup drive?

Thanks again; I feel like a kid learning to ride a bike without training wheels.

 

by: garycasePosted on 2009-07-03 at 19:14:08ID: 24775396

(1)  Sounds like the "Download of the day" programs are more sensitive than I thought.     Note that if the system is disconnected from the internet (so the time/date won't synchronize via a timeserver), it's a trivial matter to change the date -- and then change it back after you've installed the utliity.   Unless the program needs to activate via the internet, that would resolve that issue.    Just right-click on the time display at the bottom right of the screen, and select "Adjust Date/Time"

But if you'd prefer to simply move the installed copy, PC Mover does that very well with most applications.    It does not require a connection through a router -- you can simply connect the two PC's via an ethernet cable;  use an external drive that you connect to one system, then the other; etc.   It's a very nice utility -- and yes, it moves all the registry entries, DLL's, etc.     PC Mover moves the complete application with all your customized settings ... but not your data, which you'll need to backup and restore via the external drive.    Here are the details:  http://www.laplink.com/pcmover/index.html

(2) You don't have to have a router -- I just assumed that you did, since most people with more than one PC have a router to share the internet connection.    There are various other ways you can connect the PCs -- just follow the prompts in the wizard.

(3) Yes, the 4GB limit is 4GB per file.

(4)   Images can be made to DVDs or to an external drive (the best choice).    There are several free imaging utilities -- this is from the excellent Runtime folks (I haven't used it, but I'm sure it's a good utility, as Runtime Software is excellent):  http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm

 

by: photoman11Posted on 2009-07-03 at 22:58:29ID: 24775991

GC,

Thanks for everything. Just what I wanted.

(1) I think most of the programs do need to activate/register via the internet, so I guess I'll try and see what works.

(4) In the Q&A section of Drive Image, is:

Q. What Operating Systems are supported?

A. With the software installed on a PC, supported file systems are Windows XP, Windows Media Center, and Windows Server 2003. However you can create a BartPE CD with our software on it and boot from any of the Windows 9x or Windows 2000 machines and back them up as well.

It doesn't appear to work with Vista, unless I'm missing something;.

 

by: garycasePosted on 2009-07-03 at 23:19:06ID: 24776040

r.e. #1 ==>   Agree.    Just try it and see if it works.    If not, you may need to buy PC Mover and use it to move your collection of "Download of the Day" programs.     I suspect it will work fine ... but you never know :-)

r.e. #4 ==>   I suspect the FAQ has simply not been updated in a while.    Note the following at the bottom of the main page for DriveImage XML [http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm ] ...

System Requirements:
Pentium Processor
256 MB RAM
Windows XP, 2003 or Vista

 

by: nobusPosted on 2009-07-04 at 01:00:34ID: 24776244

one thing you did not mention is mail - what do you use? Outlook, or Outlook express ?
will you use Outlook, or windows mail ?
for windows Mail :  http://www.vista4beginners.com/Migrate-from-Outlook-Express-to-Windows-Mail

 

by: photoman11Posted on 2009-07-04 at 09:30:21ID: 24777265

Thanks GC. I didn't catch that.

Nobus, I will be using Outlook. Anything to "watch out for?"

 

by: nobusPosted on 2009-07-04 at 09:40:39ID: 24777295

that is the easiest, you can  export it, and import it on the new one (under Menu :file...)
or copy the outlook.pst file from the old to the new PC

 

by: garycasePosted on 2009-07-04 at 09:50:30ID: 24777332

Outlook is, as nobus noted, trivial => simply "export" your data on the old PC, then "import" it on the new.     The reason it's more difficult with Outlook Express is that there is no version of Outlook Express on Vista ... it's been replaced by Windows Mail.    The article nobus referenced does a good job of outlining how to make that transition.

 

by: photoman11Posted on 2009-07-04 at 17:23:25ID: 24778465

Thanks for everything guys. Keeping my nervous fingers crossed!

 

by: nobusPosted on 2009-07-04 at 23:38:30ID: 24779014

nothing to be nervous about; good luck with it, and post back if you need more help !

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