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Stubborn files in old disk.

Asked by: fischermx

I got a new computer and took my old hard disk and installed it on the new one (I put a smaller older HD on the old computer instead).
The old drive had everything in a working installation, just like the last day it was running.
In order to don't confuse me, I created a folder named "Old" and moved all the folders to it, on the old drive.
Now, in order to get free space, I wanted to remove "Program Files", "Windows" and "Documents and Settings".
I also wanted to run attrib -r -h -s *.* /S on the "D:" drive in order to make all files "normal".

To start with:
On Windows:
- I have a file on : "D:\Old\WINDOWS\system32\Macromed\Flash\Flash8a.ocx". This file denies to be deleted, I get "Cannot delete Flash8a.ocx. Access is denied".

On Documents and Settings:
- "D:\Old\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Microsoft\Crypto\RSA\MachineKeys" file name is "7a436fe806e483969f48a894af2fe9a1_d8a0bf26-ae9f-489b-ac9a-8c415fa24d9d". That file denies as well.

But these doesn't end here. I have some more "common" files that denies to be written/deleted.
Two gif files on a development "www" folder.
A zip file containing an Asp.Net template.
A norton AV temporary file.

Before any naive suggestion comes let me clarify:
- I'm the only user in my computer.
- I'm the administrator.
- I don't have spyware installed, that's checked. I have Firewall (ZoneAlarm) and Norton AV Corporative 9.
- Rebooting ? A lot.

This seems a kind of charming, don't you think ?

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2006-12-17 at 15:35:30ID22096114
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Answers

 

by: younghvPosted on 2006-12-17 at 16:30:31ID: 18156099

Hi fischermx,
Have you tried booting to 'Safe Mode' and attempting to manipulate the files that way?
Several services (and applications) do not start in Safe Mode and it may be the answer you need.

Vic

 

by: greyknight17Posted on 2006-12-17 at 16:55:02ID: 18156164

You might also want to use the Windows XP CD to boot up into the Recovery Console and try deleting them through there.

 

by: fischermxPosted on 2006-12-17 at 21:10:19ID: 18156722

Thanks a lot for your comment.
Besides the several methods available for ultimately get ride of those files, I'd like to know why they are locked.
And also who is locking them.
Is there a way to know which process hold which file locks?
Is there any tool that hooks on the file system and show this information ?

 

by: nobusPosted on 2006-12-18 at 00:02:17ID: 18157092

you may need to take ownership of the files : http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308421
if you still have "stubborn" files, delete them with Killbox :  
www.bleepingcomputer.com/files/killbox.php      

 

by: younghvPosted on 2006-12-18 at 04:00:47ID: 18157757

Here's a good link to a similiar post here on E-E.

http://www.experts-exchange.com/Operating_Systems/WinXP/Q_21088458.html

 

by: LeeTutorPosted on 2006-12-18 at 05:10:58ID: 18158011

>Besides the several methods available for ultimately get ride of those files, I'd like to know why they are locked.
>And also who is locking them.
>Is there a way to know which process hold which file locks?




Try this free program:


WhoLockMe Explorer Extension

If you're having problems deleting a file, you might consider using WhoLockMe. The program has a handy Explorer extension, which shows which Windows process is locking the file. One click kills the process (a virus, Trojan horse, spyware, or perhaps a dialog box enhancer), after which you can delete the tenacious hanger-on.

Version: 1.04 Beta
Price: Free

Download WhoLockMe Explorer Extension now at:
http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/file_description/0,fid,25368,tk,hsx,00.asp

 

by: fischermxPosted on 2006-12-18 at 11:06:39ID: 18160674

LeeTutor:
Thanks for the tool link. But that thing seems buggy or I don't know. I pick some files and never got the supposed dialog message with the info. Of course, I ran the install.bat file already.
I tried too many files by now, and never get the dialog.

 

by: fischermxPosted on 2006-12-18 at 11:10:20ID: 18160700

I guess some of the sysinternal tools must have that information, but I can't figure out exactly which one:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/default.mspx

 

by: johnb6767Posted on 2006-12-18 at 11:39:35ID: 18160885

Process explorer would be the right one just do a search for the files your having difficulties with, and you can go from there....

 

by: LeeTutorPosted on 2006-12-18 at 11:47:34ID: 18160956

I'm not logged into my XP machine right now, but as I recall (I tried out the program), you have to right click the "stubborn file" you can't delete, then select the Who Lock Me option from the context menu...

 

by: fischermxPosted on 2006-12-18 at 12:38:01ID: 18161343

"you have to right click the "stubborn file" you can't delete, then select the Who Lock Me option from the context menu..."
Yes, that's what I'm doing.

 

by: fischermxPosted on 2006-12-18 at 12:45:55ID: 18161416

"Process explorer would be the right one just do a search for the files your having difficulties with, and you can go from there...."

You mean the "Find Handle/DLL" option ?
I tried it but it seems it can't find nothing. Even if I open a .zip file with winzip, I'd expect to see the file handle somewhere, but I don't see it.
Where exactly on Process Explorer do I search for open files ?

 

by: johnb6767Posted on 2006-12-18 at 13:03:15ID: 18161557

The little binoculars at the top....

 

by: fischermxPosted on 2006-12-18 at 13:06:59ID: 18161582

Thanks, that's the one I used. I don't see the denying files listed there.
Actually, I've just realized, I can even rename the files and rename the directories holding the files, but can't delete the file itself, even after renaming everything.

 

by: johnb6767Posted on 2006-12-18 at 13:11:45ID: 18161619

Might want to try and go to DOS, and use the RD command to remove the directories.

rd /s c:\somedirectory

Did you try nobus' solution of Killbox from above?

 

by: johnb6767Posted on 2006-12-18 at 13:12:34ID: 18161628

Just for giggles, may even want to run a quick chkdsk /r on the drive. May be some data corruption in those sectors
(I know its  along shot, but hey...)

 

by: fischermxPosted on 2006-12-18 at 13:19:38ID: 18161682

I was able to finally delete the files after I took ownership of the directory and files using cacls.exe:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;320081


 

by: fischermxPosted on 2006-12-18 at 13:20:31ID: 18161688

johnb6767:

Checkdisk and rd /s were the very first on my attempts.

 

by: johnb6767Posted on 2006-12-18 at 13:30:08ID: 18161771

Gotcha, glad you got it though...

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