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How to install win xp on a computer without cd-rom/floppy/USB or other boot devices?

Asked by: nastpek

Hi!
My problem is that I inherited a fairly good laptop (IBM Thinkpad x31), but the bios password is unknown... The only allowed boot device is the HDD and network boot, and the old HDD was encrypted so I can't access it either. Thats why I have to install a fresh version of xp on my new HDD. I do have a IDE adapter so I can connect my new laptop HDD to my desktop. But what shall I do?

The online tutorials I have tried to follow have only ended in "system disk error" or "NTLDR missing"...


Please help

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2007-04-01 at 05:45:29ID22485348
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Answers

 

by: FirebarPosted on 2007-04-01 at 05:52:41ID: 18831721

Hello,

I would research IBM's documentation for resetting the BIOS password.  You may need to get in there at some point...

See if there is a one-time customizeable boot menu, that will allow you to select the CD-ROM as the boot device for that one time.  

You must install XP on the laptop you intend to use it and not on another PC.

/F

 

by: mreiPosted on 2007-04-01 at 06:31:06ID: 18831805

Take the new HDD in another PC and make it first bootable with any simple DOS on a FAT or better FAT32 partition (http:\www.bootdisks.com). Then copy i386-Directory from Setup-CD to c:\i386 on that new HDD. Take that HDD back into the laptop you intend to use and it should boot up into simple DOS-Mode. Now switch to i386-Directory and you can use WINNT.EXE to install new OS on that laptop.

Hint: Don't re-partition or re-format your HDD. It holds your bootable DOS at this time ;)

 

by: mreiPosted on 2007-04-01 at 06:37:17ID: 18831824

http://bootdisk.com/ (That's better!)

 

by: nastpekPosted on 2007-04-04 at 08:15:16ID: 18851173

Firebar
Thinkpads have the security chip, the password can't be reset.

mrei
I've tried that one, but it just gives me the NTLDR missing error...

any idea why?

 

by: FirebarPosted on 2007-04-04 at 08:24:08ID: 18851250

nastpek,

I did not know that.  Well, one more reason not to get a "stinkpad".  I have a hard time believing there is not a way to reset the BIOS password, but whatever...

NTLDR missing = The bootloader cannot find the partition Windows is installed and complete the boot sequence.

/F

 

by: nastpekPosted on 2007-04-04 at 08:39:27ID: 18851403

IBM claims in the users manual that the password can't be recovered... stupid indeed.
but check this out, just for fun =)
http://sodoityourself.com/hacking-ibm-thinkpad-bios-password/


But why am I receiving the NTLDR missing message? I've followed the instructions on thinkwiki.org






"Installing Windows 2000 or XP

    * Attach the harddrive to the host computer and install a minimal bootable DOS system i.e. by booting a Win98 Emergency Boot Disk and performing the command "SYS X:" (where X = the laptop's harddrive).
    * Copy FDISK.EXE to the laptop harddrive.
    * Return the harddrive to the laptop and boot to DOS. (If you have Win98 installed by default, you can skip the first two steps and simply reboot in Windows to DOS.)
    * Run FDISK and set up your new Windows system partition on this laptop. (If you do not do this on the laptop, after reboot you will receive the infamous "NTLDR IS MISSING" error.
    * Then return the drive to the host and format the drive as FAT32. (DO NOT format as NTFS.)
    * Repeat the "SYS X:" step to make the new partition bootable.
    * Copy Himem.sys and Config.sys, too. Otherwise SMARTDRIVE.EXE won't run
    * Get SMARTDRV.EXE from the internet and copy it to your Thinkpads harddrive.
    * Also, from the Win2K or WinXP CD, copy the I386 folder to the harddrive.
    * Return the laptop's harddrive to the Thinkpad one final time and boot to DOS.
    * Run SMARTDRV.EXE first, then change directories to I386 and run WINNT.EXE, this will allow the installation to begin.
    * During installation, choose NOT to format the destination partition, since it contains the installation files. If you want that filesystem to be NTFS you can convert it after installation from within Windows. "

 

by: FirebarPosted on 2007-04-04 at 09:07:16ID: 18851619

When you ran FDisk, did you make the partition you created active, option 2 from the infamous FDisk menu?

/F

 

by: nastpekPosted on 2007-04-04 at 09:56:07ID: 18851973

ouh yes, I did. And I've tried to do it like 3 times to be sure i followed those instructions. WINNT.exe runs well and the windows files are copied to my hdd, but when the installer restarts i receive the error. It sucks.

The new hdd is 80gb, could the problem lie in the size of the disk?

 

by: FirebarPosted on 2007-04-04 at 10:03:44ID: 18852017

How big is your partition?  If you used FDisk it could be between 2-32GB.

I used to do something similar to this with Windows 2000 where I would copy the entire i386 to the HDD and run it from there.  

I would create a small partition w/FDisk, and format that partition with FAT-32 (allowing up to 32GB partitions), copy the i386 folder over and run the installer.

/F

 

by: nastpekPosted on 2007-04-04 at 10:13:03ID: 18852079

When I have tried to install the OS I have chosen in fdisk to partition the whole disk, like 76gb. I tried to use a smaller (like 6gb) partition but then the laptop doesn't even boot. It just gives me at disk read error). And why does fdisk see my hdd as only 10gb?

I'm confident that if I can solve this problem with the HDD formatting and partitioning the os installation method above would work, but right now I don't know how. Should i try some other program the fdisk, or another boot disk?

 

by: FirebarPosted on 2007-04-04 at 11:42:52ID: 18852733

I am sorry, but I can't recall, does the laptop have a CD-ROM?

If not, there is a linux utility called "GParted", which acts like a free version of partition magic.  It rocks!!!

It may be worth moving the HDD out of the laptop again, placing it in a machine, and running GParted.

http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php

/F

 

by: nastpekPosted on 2007-04-05 at 06:07:38ID: 18857390

thanks, i'm a little busy now but i'll try it during the weekend

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