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Windows XP Permissions not propogating to folders

Asked by: stkoontz

I have a Windows XP computer serving as a file server and a workstation.  The owner can create files that others can see, but can't see files created by others on the network.

Attached is a screen shot of where I think the problem is.  Jason/Owner is the file server workstation.  But his 'Apply to' is only for "This folder only".  I don't know how to set it to "This folder, subfolders", etc. Also, I don't know why there are 2 Jason/Owners.

The difficulty is that I'm at a satalite location and fly home tomorrow (Thursday, Nov 5).  So if anyone can help me today, I'd really appreciate it.

Thanks

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    Jason/Owner should be set to "This folder, subfolders", etc. like the others

    Jason/Owner should be set to "This folder, subfolders", etc. like the others

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Answers

 

by: JasperIAMPosted on 2008-11-05 at 12:46:29ID: 22889662

Assuming all permissions are the same on all sub folders, you can replace permissions on sub folders.  Just check that box and hit OK.  From that point it should work fine.

 

by: samiam41Posted on 2008-11-05 at 12:47:09ID: 22889676

You may need to use select the bottom button which will replace the permissions on all subfolders.

 

by: samiam41Posted on 2008-11-05 at 12:47:44ID: 22889684

Sorry JasperIAM.  I posted that without refreshing.

 

by: JasperIAMPosted on 2008-11-05 at 12:51:56ID: 22889736

Sam I am...Jasper I am.....No worries....

 

by: samiam41Posted on 2008-11-05 at 12:56:30ID: 22889797

Thanks JasperIAM!

By chance, who is the "owner" of the files for which you are trying to modify?

 

by: stkoontzPosted on 2008-11-05 at 13:08:59ID: 22889945

Thanks for the quick response.  I really appreciate it.

I took ownership of the files using the Jason account so Jason is the owner of the original files.  

I've checked the bottom box and replaced all permissions on the subfolders which works fine until someone creates a folder and ads a file.  

If someone creates a file in a folder that's already there, Jason can open it fine.  It's only if someone creates a new folder, that Jason can't open the files placed there.  (Jason can open the new folder fine, just can't open the file)

Thanks again

 

by: samiam41Posted on 2008-11-05 at 13:13:14ID: 22889998

Do you have "Share" and "NTFS" permissions being set on this?

 

by: samiam41Posted on 2008-11-05 at 13:16:48ID: 22890044

On the bottom Jason user listed on the screen shot, follow these steps and tell me what happens:

1. right click the directory and go to "sharing and security"
1.b then go to the security tab and select the bottom Jason account
1.c click "advanced"
2.  left click his name once and select the "edit" option
3. from the drop down option, select

 

by: stkoontzPosted on 2008-11-05 at 13:17:40ID: 22890055

If you mean the Sharing and Security tab, yes, I do.

Sharing has Everyone Full Control.  Security tab is the individual names allowed access.

If you're referring to something else, please let me know.

Thanks

 

by: samiam41Posted on 2008-11-05 at 13:17:49ID: 22890056

then check the box at the bottom (apply these permissions.......blah....blah) and hit ok

 

by: JasperIAMPosted on 2008-11-05 at 13:30:31ID: 22890193

Is the folder that you showed the permissions the shared folder?  I've seen this type of issue with offline files.  Sometimes it just won't pick up the permissions from the parent folder.  

If you go to a sub folder, does it show the same permissions with inheriting on?

 

by: stkoontzPosted on 2008-11-05 at 13:33:11ID: 22890222

I did that now and it went through the files (See picture #1).  "UHfiles is the shared folder with the subfolders under it."

I got an error message as the process was going.  (See picture 2)  I clicked 'Continue' twice and it went through the rest of the files.

Jason/owner still doesn't have access to the folder created by the other person on the network or new folders created by others.

Thanks for sticking with me.

 

by: samiam41Posted on 2008-11-05 at 13:39:20ID: 22890275

Yeah, he doesn't have ownership of that file.  Since he didn't, it wouldn't let him modify the permissions.

You will need to log in as the user and check the "take ownership of this file and all subfolders".  Then he will be able to make the changes I stated prior to your post.

I am heading out but will monitor this after I get home.  I know how bad it sucks to have something like this come up at a sat office before you are supposed to leave.

 

by: JasperIAMPosted on 2008-11-05 at 13:42:16ID: 22890300

I think Sam has it right.  Change that ownership and then push that down and you should have it.

 

by: stkoontzPosted on 2008-11-05 at 13:43:27ID: 22890309

I'll give that a try.  

But I can give permission for Jason to view files created by others.  But my goal is to have it happen automatically when another user creates a folder.  Think this will do that?

I'll be working on this into the evening, so I appreciate you monitoring from home.

 

by: JasperIAMPosted on 2008-11-05 at 13:44:48ID: 22890324

Yes, that should "fix" it.  Also, just make sure that Inherit is checked as well.

 

by: stkoontzPosted on 2008-11-05 at 14:00:49ID: 22890469

Still no go.  Taking ownership gave Jason the ability to open the previous folder and file created, but I created another folder and file on another machine with the username Bethany and Jason can't open the file.

After it didn't work, I tried to replace the child objects with the parent objects again with no luck.

Attached is a screen shot of how I took ownership.

Thanks

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    Taking ownership of the uhfiles folder and subfolders

    Taking ownership of the uhfiles folder and subfolders
 

by: JasperIAMPosted on 2008-11-05 at 14:03:58ID: 22890503

Are they creating the folder directly under uhshared?

Can you show a screen shot for the permissions of the folder "00 Schedule"?

 

by: stkoontzPosted on 2008-11-05 at 14:43:41ID: 22890862

Yes, they are.

Jason is using the 'owner' accoutn on the computer.  Would that have something to do with it?

Attached are screen shots.

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    Screen when Security tab is clicked. Jason permissions are clicked.

    Screen when Security tab is clicked.   Jason permissions are clicked.
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    The first screen that comes up

    The first screen that comes up
 

by: stkoontzPosted on 2008-11-05 at 18:59:25ID: 22892087

Thanks for the quick suggestions, but nothing has worked.  It's late, so I'm puntiing on this one, closing the question and flying home tomorrow.

 

by: samiam41Posted on 2008-11-06 at 04:47:06ID: 22894323

Sorry nothing would work.  Have a safe trip back.

 

by: samiam41Posted on 2008-11-08 at 13:57:14ID: 22913927

stkoontz:

Hey, I wanted to post one more thing before you deleted the question.  I know you aren't at the site but you should keep this and try it when you go back to the site.

Open up local group policy from the start > run option on windows.  Then enter in (between the arrows)=> gpedit.msc <= and hit enter.  Now, expand "Computer Configuration" > Security Settings > Local Policies > Security Options.  You will need to scroll all the way to the bottom and find "Default owner for objects created by members of the Administrators group" and configure it to be "Administrators group".

Now add the user you want to have permissions to all the folders when they are created to the local administrators group.  Make sure that the local administrators group is on the root directory folder and when a new folder is created, the local administrator will then be the owner and therefore have the permissions desired.  

I know this comes a day late and dollar short but I wanted to find a solution for you.  Just wish it could have been a little sooner.  Save it and run it when you get back to that site again.

 

by: samiam41Posted on 2008-11-08 at 13:57:57ID: 22913932

** I just objected so that you would have a chance to see what I posted and save it before the question was deleted **

 

by: stkoontzPosted on 2008-11-08 at 14:13:10ID: 22913987

Thanks for posting another suggestion.  I emailed it to myself so I would have it the next time I return.  Or I might check with the people there to see if they'd be willing to have me talk them through the change over the phone.  It seems simple enough that they could give it a try.

Both of you have been great helping me through this.

Thanks.

PS:  Mr. Moderator, would you keep this question open until I respond again?  I'll post again mid-week.

 

by: samiam41Posted on 2008-11-08 at 14:22:40ID: 22914039

Great work.  Thanks for understanding why I stopped the question from being deleted.  The question should be kept open until you ask for it to be deleted again or we find a solution for you.  Either way, I will continue to monitor this question and find you a solution.  Have a nice weekend!

 

by: stkoontzPosted on 2008-11-13 at 13:09:14ID: 22954599

I just talked through the steps with the user in Philly.  After going through them, he wasn't able to access the network files at all.  So I talked him through putting it back the way it was.

I'm recommending the site get a small file server like the D-Link DNS-323 Network Storage Enclosure.  It'll give them more security control over the files plus other features.

Is there a way to close the question without accepting a solution?  Even though they didn't help me, your suggestions might help others.

Thanks,

Steve

 

by: JasperIAMPosted on 2008-11-13 at 13:26:36ID: 22954795

Not sure how.  You can ask in the support forum, or just accept Sam's last response.  I don't need the points so I won't complain.  Always a good idea to leave questions open wtih good info.

Sorry it didn't work out.

 

by: samiam41Posted on 2008-11-18 at 06:53:38ID: 22985048

Sorry we couldn't get a solution for you.  I really thought we would have come up with something as there are some really talented guys here.  Hopefully next time we can come through for you.  Take care!

 

by: stkoontzPosted on 2008-11-18 at 07:16:55ID: 22985299

I think it was more my time crunch than a lack of talent.  I've always been impressed with the men and women who help with questions.   I find many solutions without even posting a question.

 

by: samiam41Posted on 2008-11-18 at 07:19:47ID: 22985330

True enough.

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