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Employee suspicious

Asked by: gsgi

A friend gave me a laptop used by her employee.  She suspects the employee is not working the hours submitted.  I am thinking that by looking at time stamps on the files, I can compile a list of when this laptop has been on, which granted is not a great indicator of whether she was actually working, but if it was off, we can pretty much assume that she was not working.

Any ideas?

What other recommendations do you have to do forensic analysis on the use of this computer.

Thanks,
gsgi

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Answers

 

by: SysExpertPosted on 2009-07-06 at 13:38:10ID: 24789011

Turn on auditing for logon logoff, reboots and anyting else that may give you a clue.

This will then show up in the Event log - security.

I hope this helps !

 

by: Ste206Posted on 2009-07-06 at 13:48:31ID: 24789095

At current you can do some more in-depth checking up than timestamps on files.

Navigate to > Control Panel > Administrative Tools > Event Viewer > Look in the 'System' area.

Theres system events happening all the time that the computer / laptop is turned on so this should give you a good time field that the laptop has been turned on and in use..

It wont give you a definate that they have been using the computer for work related reasons but it WILL tell you if the device has been turned on or not which is a better indication than none at all.

Hope this helps!

 

by: 1WilliamPosted on 2009-07-06 at 13:49:43ID: 24789107

File ttimestamps are not 100% usefull either. If the user changed the clock, they can easily make it appear a job was started at one time and finished at another. This can reflect hours of time but because of clock time changing, could in reality be mere minutes. You can look at files and try to find info that provides the info you seek but unless there is a hidden log that tracks everything (including clock resets), all you may end up with is suspicion. No concrete proof.

 

by: DaveHowePosted on 2009-07-06 at 14:24:27ID: 24789354

its too vague anyhow.

say I am designing some code.

I *could* spend that time sitting at the keyboard, pounding keys, trying by trial-and-error to get the right match.

or I could take a pencil and some scratch paper, block out some ideas, throw away the ones that don't work, rough out the user interface and how I would like it to look - THEN start to try and code that.

a detailed log of timestamps would show when I was doing the relatively easy work of typing up what I spent hours designing.

or say I am building a word document. at 10am, I copy from a tempate I made four months beforehand, as it has some of the stuff I need already typed in.

for six hours, I pound keys, with a one hour break around noon, so its now 5pm

timestamp will show a file first created four months ago, last updated at 5pm.

now, suppose the job was *identical* to one I did four months ago, and only the company name need change.

I copy the file at 4:40, do a global replace, set it printing, have a cup of coffee, realise I haven't saved it yet, save it off, and.. am left with a file created four months ago, last updated at 5pm.

file creation and last updated stamps then, even if completely honest, don't have to tell you anything about how much work went into the file.

 

by: gsgiPosted on 2009-07-06 at 15:02:38ID: 24789596

presuming that you are thinking though, there shouldn't be a whole lot of temp files in iexplorer cache of shopping web sites while you working though.

-gsgi

 

by: gsgiPosted on 2009-07-06 at 15:04:13ID: 24789610

we are dealing with a receptionist, with a laptop she takes home, who is supposed to call and confirm patients for the next day from the system.  I doubt she is sophisticated enough to change the time.  I think she is dumb enough to have either had the laptop off, or have a lot of temp files while she was browsing.

thanks,
gsgi

 

by: DaveHowePosted on 2009-07-06 at 15:37:55ID: 24789879

hmm. that opens a completely different can of worms. is the data held on the laptop, or on a remote system the laptop dials into? would it be possible for her to print out a list of patients, rather than juggling laptop and phone at home? I suspect we should skirt around the hipaa requirements for patient data to be held securely when offsite.... :)

 

by: CoccoBillPosted on 2009-07-07 at 02:32:58ID: 24792653

First question that comes to mind is your local privacy legislation, are you sure you're allowed to conduct a secret informal forensic investigation on her workstation based on suspicions alone? Assuming it would be legal, it still sounds like any information you'll be able to gather will be circumstantial at best, so what is your action plan based on your findings? Is your friend aware of the legal rights of the employee, and the grounds based on which she'd be able to fire her? Is the employee prohibited from using the workstation for her private stuff, such as personal email and surfing/shopping? Is it in her work contract, or in the company security policy that she has read and agreed to formally by signing it?

For reference, what you're doing would be illegal where I live.

 

by: richrumblePosted on 2009-07-07 at 06:39:38ID: 24794093

Illegal here too, I think CoccoBill has the pulse, stop what your doing, and return the LT. There is plenty of software out there to log activities. Typically just talking to someone after you have evidence of wrong doing or ill advised behavior in the work place is enough to get them to straighten up going forward. Repeated offenses need to be dealt with stronger and stronger discipline.
Again if the laptop is part of a HIPAA compliant business, what your doing, and what your friend has done, is against the rules without question.
-rich

 

by: gsgiPosted on 2009-07-07 at 12:53:42ID: 24797730

I found this link

http://www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs7-work.htm

are you guys in california?

 

by: gsgiPosted on 2009-07-07 at 12:57:10ID: 24797768

Here is another.

Are you guys in the public sector?  This is a private sector case in Connecticut.

http://employeeissues.com/workplace_privacy.htm

 

by: gsgiPosted on 2009-07-07 at 17:12:02ID: 31600336

Glad to see you have joined EE - I hope you like it here.  We do.

 

by: richrumblePosted on 2009-07-07 at 17:53:27ID: 24799810

I'm in the mid-west, but I've worked all over, and HIPAA applies pretty uniformly accros the nation. Since your not an employee or hired contractor, you have never signed any NDA's or confidentiality paper work from your friends place of business I assume. In America, the basic rule of thumb is employees "have no expectation of privacy", it's one of the first things that goes into an acceptable use policy. However patient records are meant for personnel/staff and employees of the company, not you basically. So just imagine how much trouble your friend would be in if the LT she asked you to look at were stolen from your possession and bad guys blackmailed the company to keep the incident secret? Or all the other ID theft scenarios you see on the news.
What your friend asked you to do is illegal, so the law is against him/her more than you, but still not on the up and up.
-rich

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