Question

is analyse how long each component of windows takes to boots?

Asked by: resolver1

My problem is:

We have 2 identical  machines being re-imaged using SysPrep the exact same way.  The image is a windows XP machine running SP3 and a  AMD Athlon(tm) Dual Core Processor 4850e processor , Motherboard GA-MA78GM-S2H.

Machine one takes:

5 minutes to get to log on screen
3 minutes to get to the desktop
2 minutes to load all the programs

Machine 2 takes

1 minute to login screen
1 minute to windows screen
Another 20 seconds to load all windows programs

Both are attached to the same network, same programs, same WSUS server and updates.  When the machines were first imaged they both had boot quick like machine 2, something has changed over time.  how can i further analyse the boot up?  I was wondering if there was a utility that will write how long it takes each each windows file to load and update a log file, then i could compare the good boot pc again the slow boot pc.

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Answers

 

by: nobusPosted on 2009-08-12 at 23:35:07ID: 25085811

 

by: BitsBytesandMorePosted on 2009-08-13 at 07:27:35ID: 25088600

Have you tried replacing the ethernet cable or switching the PC1 with the PC2 to see if the results stay constant or vary?

 

by: PCBONEZPosted on 2009-08-18 at 01:06:54ID: 25120886

Re-seat the RAM.
Test hard drive.

Same power supply?
A PSU that is putting out 'dirty' power will slow things down too.

 

by: BitsBytesandMorePosted on 2009-08-18 at 06:44:22ID: 25123083

This is a "Process Monitor".....it will better give you an idea of where it is taking longer compared to the other computer and will allow you to see where the problem is:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896645.aspx

Hope it helps you.

 

by: resolver1Posted on 2009-08-25 at 20:47:20ID: 25184274

I've improved the boot time on Machine 1 (similar time machine 2) by plugging the hard drive into SATA port 1 instead of SATA port 0 on the motherboard.  Not sure what could have changed by plugging the harddrive into SATA port 1 instead of port 0.  I have re-imaged the slow machine and plugged the HD into port 0 (the slow port) the machine boots up with a good time again, weird.  Does anyone know what the cause of the problem could be?

I was pointed in the right direction to the problem using bootvis.  It reported that the disk IO was slow on machine1 compared to machine2.  (It looks like the tracer code for BootVis has been taken away because disk IO is the only metric thats collected.).  Anyway this led me to change the SATA port.  

These are 2 programs that will monitor the boot process and record extra detail about the boot process. not used them because i already found a solution to the issue but may come in handy.  Free 30 day trial for both softwares  

http://www.greatis.com/utilities/bootlogxp/
http://www.clockmod.com/index.php?/products/view/winbootinfo_1.0/

 

by: nobusPosted on 2009-08-25 at 23:45:42ID: 25184915

it can be that the disk channel was set on PIO, instead of DMA
http://users.bigpond.net.au/ninjaduck/itserviceduck/udma_fix/
http://winhlp.com/node/10

 

by: resolver1Posted on 2009-08-25 at 23:49:24ID: 25184931

rightio  i'll check it out.

 

by: BitsBytesandMorePosted on 2009-08-26 at 06:51:21ID: 25187634

It sounds like the problem was simply related to file corruption.

If all you did was re-image and then you re-connected back to SATA-0 and had no problems, then there is no other explanation since the only variable here is the software.

Now, if you did reset the BIOS to the defaults or any other change to it then it could be related to the disk channel....

Only you can tell us what happened........lol..

I'm glad to see that it was resolved successfully......another machine for our knowledgebase.....

 

by: resolver1Posted on 2009-08-26 at 16:08:49ID: 25193206

sorry i think you mis-understood.  

1. Before the re-image I plugged the HD into a different SATA port (port1) and the machine booted up at a faster speed.  
2. i plugged the machine back into the orginal port (port 0) and the machine went back to its old ways and was slow at booting.
3. I re-imaged the machine and now get a quick boot.  The SATA is still plugged into the supossly slow SATA port (port 0).  

no changes in the BIOS.  No changes to Windows, well known to us, must have been automatic if there was (users do not have admin access).  I can not explain why or what has changed.  I imagine after time the new port (port 1) will start to boot slow.  

 

by: BitsBytesandMorePosted on 2009-08-26 at 17:23:24ID: 25193559

I understood exactly what you explained above, after reimaging...the slow port is now fast which tells me that the only variable is the software change.

Somehow, the software (chipset, SATA drivers) that controls the SATA Port 0 was damaged and after reimaging it is now good.

This is what you mean....Yes?

 

by: resolver1Posted on 2009-08-26 at 19:36:17ID: 25194119

Yes - your on the same thought process as me.  I also beleive something has changed wtihin Windows (like you said its the only dynamic part), I know users dont have Admin rights to change drivers.  I even tried to roll back the device drivers but it says no previous drivers to roll back to.  Also tried un-installing drivers and letting Windows re-detect and system still runs slow.  

When the system is in its state of slow booting (plugged into SATA port 0): the computer will boot fast in safe mode.  Also if i change the HAL to the basic HAL (standard from ACPI multiprocessor PC) the system boots fast.  A little more info for you guys.  Im still bamboozled to the cause and what triggered it.....

 

by: BitsBytesandMorePosted on 2009-08-26 at 19:45:31ID: 25194152

Don't give it to much thought..... it's all about 0's and 1's..... any minimal corruption in the registry....a little flicker of the power and you get a "1" instead of a "0" and the whole registry setting is messed up.....

 

by: nobusPosted on 2009-08-26 at 23:25:54ID: 25195092

was it on DMA ?

 

by: resolver1Posted on 2009-08-27 at 20:36:08ID: 25204820

Ive checked the DMA (just needed a bit of time) and taken the settings from Device Manager when the port is plugged into the different SATA ports.  

Secondary (2st in list)  - This is the faster port (0)
Device : 0
Device Type :Auto detection
Transfer mode : Auto detection
Current transfer mode : Ultra DMA mode 6

Primary (2nd in List) - This is when its plugged into the slower port (1)
Device : 0
Device Type :Auto detection
Transfer mode :DMA if availible
Current transfer mode :PIO Mode

So it looks like the PIO Mode is slower than DMA mode 6.  Ive also checked the recently re-imaged machiens and they are using the transfer mode : Ultra DMA mode 6.  So something is changing this over time. Interesting....Any ideas?  

 

by: nobusPosted on 2009-08-27 at 23:27:42ID: 25205358

did you reset it, as described in the links?

 

by: resolver1Posted on 2009-09-01 at 02:32:32ID: 25229740

yeah I ran the script from http://winhlp.com/node/10 and it worked a treat.  We have 70+ machines its happening on and we're not sure why its occuring?  

What we are putting in place is for landesk to retreive the registry settings into its database and then reporting on which machines have the issue on a daily or weekly basis. then running the script on the affected machine.  Any recomendations/ideas welcome?

 

by: nobusPosted on 2009-09-01 at 03:30:41ID: 25230077

well it happens if there are read errors occuring, then the system screws it back 1 step, retries, etc...which is good behavior.
What's not so nice is that it won't turn it up again....

 

by: resolver1Posted on 2009-09-07 at 16:22:54ID: 25277815

thanks guys your help is much appreciated.  It took a while to find this issue and caused us a lot of greif!  Cheers

 

by: resolver1Posted on 2009-09-07 at 16:25:46ID: 31615172

Thanks alot again guys.  Your time is much apreciated.  

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