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installing xp

Asked by: canuto186

hi  I have a problem , I'm trying to install  windows xp on a PH OMNIBOOK 500 , IT DOES NOT HAVE INTERNAL DRIVE  I'M TRYING TO DO IT  USING AN  Iomega  external drive  connected  trough  a USB port but ,it dos not seam to recognize the external drive in order to be able to install the system , what can I do  thanks or is there any other way to insall it

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by: rindiPosted on 2005-02-21 at 23:40:11ID: 13369475

Sorry, bad news, but you can't install XP to a USB drive. There are no drivers that support this type of setup.
You either need an internal drive or a SCSI-type system. You might be able to get Linux onto a USB drive though. Try knoppix, this is a fully functional linux distribution which runs off CD. There is a script on it the CD which also allows you to copy it to HD's, and if your hardware supports it, it should boot and run off a HD.

http://knoppix.net

If your system has enough RAM you could now install vmware, which lets you install and run other Operating system like windows XP etc from inside linux, as if there was a separate PC. This should probably work with 512 MB RAM, but it won't be too fast, and I don't think you can add more ram into that PC...

http://www.vmware.com/

 

by: kneHPosted on 2005-02-22 at 04:12:16ID: 13370740

Indeed USB is not an option.

I reckon you could try connecting an external dvd drive. If possible

 

by: johnharding23Posted on 2005-02-22 at 05:16:33ID: 13371097

I haven't tried it, but could it not be theoretically possible to install Windows XP to an internal drive and then do a bit-for-bit copy to the external USB drive. As long as the BIOS can boot from USB devices, and is set to do so then there should be no problem but this is speculation over a quick lunch at work and not tried and tested advice!

I'm waiting for someone to tell me why that wouldn't work now (and I know the BOOT.INI would need to be modified)

 

by: rindiPosted on 2005-02-22 at 05:23:19ID: 13371141

No, that wouldn't work, windows needs a driver for the usb port which would be similar to a scsi or raid driver (the sort where you need to press F6 during installation), and such a driver doesn't exist (not yet, at least).

 

by: kneHPosted on 2005-02-22 at 05:36:54ID: 13371234

The laptop would have to have some port (non USB) to connect an external drive to such as a CD player wouldn't it?

Use that one and you should be home free.
I reckon.

 

by: godd31Posted on 2005-02-22 at 12:27:35ID: 13375590

Recommendations for Booting Windows from USB Storage Devices

The USB Mass Storage Working Group is preparing a specification on booting USB devices to enable booting from USB within the industry. Boot from USB has become a highly requested feature. Both USB flash drive (UFD) and USB CD-ROM drives are in a position to pave the way of new booting features on USB. Enabling users to boot from UFD and USB CD-ROM requires industry-wide cooperation to ensure good user experiences with these devices.

The most interesting applications for booting from a USB device focus on operating system deployment, system recovery, and system maintenance. Key scenarios, listed below, are explored later in this document:

• Operating system installation/deployment scenario
 
• Floppy disk drive replacement
 
• System diagnostics tools
 
• Disk duplication/manipulation (for example, partitioning and formatting utilities)
 

Current versions of Windows should not be installed to USB hard disk drives because Windows does not support USB hard disk drives as the primary boot device. This paper introduces the expected industry participation related to the following:

More detail here from the source link:
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/storage/usb-boot.mspx

Hope this helps!!

 

by: canuto186Posted on 2005-02-22 at 13:46:53ID: 13376404

ok  I just bought  an external floppy drive cause it did not have one  , just to see if  there is a way to install windows  xp or  98  , but how about if  I connect the  hard drive in another laptop , or pc  , and then connect it back to the laptop , to which I'm trying to install the system to , will this work or not ,,,,, the external floppy disk does work

 

by: rindiPosted on 2005-02-22 at 14:52:48ID: 13377000

According to the specs of the omnibook, there is an internal ide disk, so there shouldn't be any problem installing windows XP to that internal disk. It also shouldn't be any problem putting another disk inside if you don't want to delete what is on the disk now.
All you need is to boot your windows xp cdrom and start the isntallation that way.
With some luck you might even find some drivers for your hardware from the HP Site, and if it isn't windows XP specific the windows 2000 drivers often work too. After all, windows 2000 is officially supported for this PC by HP!

Just forget installing windows xp to a USB drive, as mentioned above!

 

by: canuto186Posted on 2005-02-22 at 16:27:14ID: 13377559

I agree  , I will install the system to the hard drive in the laptop , the problem that I'm facing is that the laptop  does not have a internal cd rom drive  I have an external   cd rom drive  ( Iomega )  but  the external drive is not recognized  in dos , any ideas , thanks

 

by: CorporatePenguinPosted on 2005-02-22 at 16:54:22ID: 13377685

If you boot with the CD-ROM attached does the Windows installer start, yet during the install it doesn't find the CD?

If this is the case, download the drivers for XP from Iomega's website and press F6 during the installation process to specify additional drivers.

Otherwise, download the XP boot floppies from the Microsoft website with the USB floppy drive. Then load the cd-rom drivers for the Iomega drive. If the CD is recognized, then the boot floppies are all you need.

 

by: canuto186Posted on 2005-02-22 at 17:04:11ID: 13377746

I have downloaded the boot up disk form Microsoft  will  bootup the laptop with then and  see what happens , will let you

 

by: rindiPosted on 2005-02-22 at 22:00:54ID: 13379321

Dos shouldn't need to recognize your external drive, as long as it is bootable the windows installer should start, as the penguin states. A driver in such a case isn't necessary. the driver you install with F6 is for thedestination disk, and not the source.

What you might have to do is change the boot order from inside your BIOS, so the PC starts from the CD first.

Try booting your CD first, this way of installing is easier and faster than using a floppy.

 

by: canuto186Posted on 2005-02-23 at 03:32:35ID: 13381021

ok this is  an iomega external drive , and it ie not recognized , even after  changing  the bios ,  tell me a little more  about  f6 doring bootup nad how to do it , thanks

 

by: rindiPosted on 2005-02-23 at 03:59:00ID: 13381235

F6 won't be necessary in your case. You need it to add drivers to XP which aren't installed automatically, like for SCSI or RAID controllers. The IDE controller of your PC should be automatically found and installed.

 

by: CorporatePenguinPosted on 2005-02-23 at 07:28:08ID: 13383172

The IDE controller will be found automatically, but the Iomega USB CD-ROM may not. That is why I suggested grabbing the driver. It is possible to start an installation from the floppy disc yet not be able to see the CD-ROM. It all depends on the hardware.

Additionally, I have seen the Windows installer not ennumerate the USB floppy as A: if "USB floppy" is enabled in the BIOS. If you turn off USB floppy, the drive was detected and enumerated by the Windows installer correctly. In that case we were trying to supply additional drivers, not start the installation from the floppy.

 

by: canuto186Posted on 2005-02-23 at 19:25:25ID: 13389443

thanks , the problem with grabbing the driver is that acording to  the omega website , the external drive that  i heve does not need a driver , cause the driver is supplied in windows xp , so is this where i need to press f6  at boot up  to add aditional drivers ?

 

by: rindiPosted on 2005-02-23 at 21:50:02ID: 13390001

You'd need something like that in the link below to get access to your USB device in DOS. Your diskette would also need fdisk, sys and format on it. With fdisk you would partition your HD, making at least 2 fat32 partitions (using a modern DOS version, like the one version 7 which gets put on a floppy when you create a boot disk from a Windows 98 PC you will also be able to access fat32). Then format the 2 partitions, run sys c:.
Now copy the \i386 directory  from your cd drive to your 2nd partition on your HD, go into that newly created directory and run
winnt. The installation of XP should now start, without needing any other drivers, at least not until windows is upa nd running. Then you will have to add your PC specific drivers which you should download from the HP site.

http://www.bootdisk.com/usb.htm

 

by: CorporatePenguinPosted on 2005-02-24 at 11:17:20ID: 13395909

Or you could just boot with the 6 boot floppies for XP and have it load all the drivers you need.

The F6 was optional if for whatever reason the USB cd-rom was not detected. Since Iomega says the defaukt drivers are fine, just use the XP boot floppies and start the installation that way. It's a lot easier than tracking down all the specific drivers.

 

by: rindiPosted on 2005-02-24 at 21:30:32ID: 13400158

Thanks, did you manage to install XP?

 

by: canuto186Posted on 2005-02-25 at 03:31:05ID: 13401900

yes i had to copy winxp to the hatd drive and installed from there, thanks

 

by: Ralf_KPosted on 2005-03-12 at 15:12:44ID: 13526427

I've been challenged by getting another version of Windows (2003) to boot and run off my usb drive. I tried everything. I even took the drive apart, pulled the hard drive and did a clean install from my regular machine. It tried to boot twice then began reporting the drive was unformatted.

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