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Hard Drive Won't Boot After Ghost - Help!!!

Asked by: dbloecher06

OK.

   I have done this hundreds of times for customers, but now when I try it on my computer it won't work.  Isn't that how life is.

   I am trying to upgrade my laptop HDD from a 60GB to a 100GB.  I have ghosted the drive over and the stupid thing won't boot.  It just sits there with a blinking underscore.  I have tried to boot with the XP disc and use the repair feature and FIXMBR.  But the repair console wants an admin password.  There is no admin password.  But just for the heck of it, I used ERD Commander 2005 to reset the admin password.  Still the thing says invalid password.  I have a copy of a Windows 2000 install CD, but it's not booatable, and my laptop has no floppy.  Is there anything that could cause this problem that I am just missing?  I have tried Norton Ghost 9 with some success but alot of programs are corrupt.  So I am now using Norton Ghost 2003.  Please any info would be much appreciated.  At this point I have spent so much time on it, I couldn't even pay myself for my services lol!

Thanks

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Answers

 

by: MiguelSilvestrePosted on 2006-02-09 at 20:16:01ID: 15919421

Hi dbloecher06,

Windows don't like blank passwords, give the Administrator account a password using the ERD CD and then try again.

Miguel

 

by: dbloecher06Posted on 2006-02-09 at 20:19:52ID: 15919438

I did give the admin account a password with the ERD CD, it still says invalid password.

 

by: zephyr_hexPosted on 2006-02-09 at 20:34:59ID: 15919488

when you did your ghost image, did you do it from a boot cd?
also, what is the partitioning of your original drive?  

 

by: dbloecher06Posted on 2006-02-09 at 20:41:07ID: 15919517

When I ghosted using 2003 I used a floppy.  Both hard drives were connected to a different machine (testbed) than my laptop using IDE to laptop hard drive adapters. The my originla drive has only one NTFS partition.

 

by: onsitezPosted on 2006-02-09 at 21:09:28ID: 15919625

what you need to do is boot from the xp cd, use the recovery console and the option ,,, fix boot or fixboot , you may be asked by the recovery console to enter your administrators password.

 

by: gonzal13Posted on 2006-02-09 at 21:19:50ID: 15919667

How to install and use the Recovery Console in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307654/en-us
Password Recovery
http://www.petenetlive.com/Tech/Windows/WinGen/passwordrecovery.htm

 

by: freshairPosted on 2006-02-09 at 21:44:28ID: 15919754

probably because Ghost had corrupted the partition table and/or boot records at the beginning of your hard drive. try to repair the MBR using the recovery disc and inspect the partition table and cylinder information to see what had happened.

 

by: dbloecher06Posted on 2006-02-09 at 21:51:21ID: 15919777

Just FYI,  I have tried to use the XP recovery console from the CD, but it wants a password.  Like I said above, I have already reset the password, it doesn't help.  Any other ideas?

Thanks for the help tho, keep it coming.

 

by: dbloecher06Posted on 2006-02-09 at 22:04:53ID: 15919817

I used ERD Commander 2005's locksmith program.  Is there any reason this wouldn't set the Adminstrator password?

 

by: freshairPosted on 2006-02-09 at 22:27:50ID: 15919894

you may want to mount the disk on another system to inspect its starting area. you can probably replace the corrupt MBR with the one that comes with the Windows Recovery Disk or installation disk, and probably ablle to recover the most part of the partition table also.

Ghost has this problem many systems, including one of my systems. each time I install Ghost on the Windows partition it wiped out the entire partition table and replaced the MBR with a DOS MBR (that comes with the disk?). I'm not sure why, but it is probably because the disk was not prepared by a MS-DOS program (may be prepared by one of those disk manufacturer programs) and has a different type of record structure as Windows. I used non-Windows/non-DOS tools to create the disk so had booted into another system and recovered that "Ghosted" system for a few times before I had realized Ghost doesn't like anything non-DOS-alike. so now your only choice might have to be booting into another OS and fix the MBR first. as for the recovery console thing, if you can boot into another OS and doesn't mind corrupting your user data, just delete the password file (SAM) and you can access the system again (I don't recommend that).

 

by: dbloecher06Posted on 2006-02-09 at 22:46:20ID: 15919978

Ya, also I wonder if it is the drive.  I am trying to upgrade to one of those 7200RPM Hitachi Travelstars, this is the second drive of this exact type and both have just not worked.  The first gave me all kinds of boot sector and cylinder errors.  Now this one just is buggy also.  I have tried to ghost using ghost 9 again.  Now the computer boots but hangs at the welcome screen.  It's just a total bummer.  I have done this so many times in the past and its worked perfectly.

Could the hard drive model itself be the problem?

 

by: dbloecher06Posted on 2006-02-09 at 22:48:44ID: 15919987

What laptop hard drive manufacturer do you guys recommend?

 

by: freshairPosted on 2006-02-09 at 23:24:59ID: 15920115

Hitachi is good. I have a few Toshiba as well. if the Welcome Screen comes up it means your system has been fixed, but cannot find the right files to run (that is, your backup is probably a bad one, possibly because some files are in use and could not be copied, or simply denied access for its own reasons, if you backup the system when it's active). the drive model shouldn't be a problem, but Windows might hang if the end of the drive has unformatted spaces (the extra space from the old one to the new one). but I still suspect that was because Ghost did not backup the files properly, especially when running inside Windows. Ghost 9.0 and 10.0 for Windows both have this problem with many computers as well!!! the only "solution" was to dump it and use a more reliable backup program. sorry, I can't help with that since you already Ghosted both. but if you can boot into a third system and repair the first one (the old one) to make it boot properly, and then shut down and do a drive sector copying (the CD that comes with a retail hard drive contains such programs) onto the new drive. the extra spaces will be notified if you can boot after copying, and you can reformat them from the computer manager. those are all hints I could possibly offer. meanwhile I never trusted Ghost since version 9.

 

by: nobusPosted on 2006-02-09 at 23:59:41ID: 15920239

did you check if the partition is set to active? you can use FDISK to do it.

 

by: ridPosted on 2006-02-10 at 02:22:17ID: 15920810

Are you preparing (fdisk, format) the laptop HD in another machine? If so, this may be the problem. Less risk for problems if the entire install process is run in the correct machine.
/RID

 

by: dbloecher06Posted on 2006-02-10 at 10:32:04ID: 15925161

The partition is set to active.  I used MS disk manager and partition magic to check if it is active.  Here are the setups I am trying to use.  

1.) I have my laptop that has the hard drive I want to ghost.  So I hooked the new laptop hard drive through the USB port on my laptop and started ghost 2003 on my laptop.  I then clicked for the disk to be cloned. This restarts the computer and starts the ghost program as if it was booted off a disk.  --- It ghosts, but won't boot.

2.) Same set up as above but I use Ghost 9 and ghost while in windows.  This ghosts, and boots, but hangs at the welcome screen.

3.) I take both my old laptop hdd and my new laptop hdd and hook them up to a defferent computer using ide adapters.  So they are hooked up just like desktop drives.  I then boot ghost 2003 with a floppy and use that.  It ghosts, but has the same problem as number 1.  It won't boot.  Just shows a flashing underscore.

The part that is frustrating is that if I could only run the repair console it probably would work.  But it wants a password and no matter how hard I try to set it (using ERD Commander 05 with locksmith) it still says invalid password.

Are there any other reliable (as if norton ghost has been reliable lately) ghosting programs that you guys recommend?

Thanks

 

by: dbloecher06Posted on 2006-02-10 at 10:37:48ID: 15925218

Just in case there is any confusion my original drive is intact and working. Don't know if that gives anyone anymore ideas.

 

by: dbloecher06Posted on 2006-02-10 at 10:51:35ID: 15925336

Also,  what would be the best way to just start over.  Since my original drive is intact I can try other options.  What is the best way to reformat the new hdd so that the MBR is clean, the partition table is reset, just like out of the box.  Then what is the best way to prepare the dive to be ghosted.  Like I said above, I have done this hundreds of times, but now I'm wondering if I even know what I'm doing lol!!!

 

by: ridPosted on 2006-02-10 at 10:59:21ID: 15925411

I think that a real reset of the drive can be achieved by doing a zero-fill. Then use the tools from the O/S you want to use to prepare the drive (partitioning, formatting) and install, while the drive is in the machine it will be used in. Never had any problems with that approach. Moving the drive between different controllers (enclosures, computers) *may* cause weird problems.
/RID

 

by: dbloecher06Posted on 2006-02-10 at 11:01:45ID: 15925435

Ok, how do i do a zero fill?  Never done that.

 

by: mmigliorPosted on 2006-02-10 at 13:31:10ID: 15926851

Boot from a Dos 6.22 disk with the appropriate version of FDISK on the floppy.
Then run the command FDISK /MBR

We have used this many times when ghosting images over, and it seems to solve the issue.

 

by: ridPosted on 2006-02-10 at 13:38:33ID: 15926924

A zero-fill can be run from a bootable floppy that has the HD manufacturers' tools on it, or from the Ultimate Boot CD, using some wipe utility. Basically, it is all about flushing all the old partitioning information and the MBR. Once these areas are cleaned out, the drive is "as new". There used to be a small program called "zap" (from IBM, I think) that could be used for this.

A thorough zero-fill is sometimes called a "low-level format", which it isn't, but the idea is to write zeroes (or whatever value) into the entire storage area. Sometimes this cures bad sectors and other logical errors on a HD. It doesn't cure physical errors, of course, but file systems errors and such can sometimes be remedied with such an operation where a normal "format" doesn't work.
/RID

 

by: dbloecher06Posted on 2006-02-10 at 15:55:58ID: 15928085

OK Thanks!!! I got it to work.  It mostly was probably my fault.  I found an option when you boot ghost where it asks what type of copy I would like.  It was set to "Default".  So I set it to "Copy All" and it worked.  Never had to do that before.  Must have had it set like that when I made previous disk and forgot to do it or something.  Thanks to everyone for your help, much appreciated.

 

by: christiegroupPosted on 2008-09-24 at 08:27:39ID: 22560714

FDISK /MBR
this worked for me....

XPro SP3 - Ghost 2003

Thanks

 

by: PeteLongPosted on 2010-05-05 at 08:43:24ID: 32644594

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