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ford cruise control

Asked by: KMDComp

Not sure if I'll get any help with this on an IT forum, but what the hell, maybe someone has had this issue before.  

The cruise control on my 2002 ford ranger is working intermittently.  It seems to be totally random and decides if it's going to work the instant the car is started.  If it works when I first get it, it will work for the entire trip, if it doesn't work, nothing I do will get it to work.  

If I have to make a short stop somewhere, it sometimes changes from working to not working or vice versa, but if I try sticking in the clutch and killing the engine for a few moments and then turning it back on, that never fixes the issue.

I've tested the cruise control buttons located on the steering wheel extensively, working or not, they always have power and make the correct connections when the buttons are pressed, so the problem is elsewhere in the system.  

Any ideas?

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    Answers

     

    by: NicoJuicyPosted on 2009-10-05 at 10:09:13ID: 25497153

    Hoy.

    Every electronic device of a car needs an official "computer".
    These can only by found at a official dealer!

    Just go into the garage and ask them to check your settings of your cruise control, you'll see they'll plug a device into your car and check the settings.

    Hope this helps!

     

    by: Michael-BestPosted on 2009-10-05 at 11:47:08ID: 25498258

    As said it will need a diadnosticks test by a dedicated tester at a ford service garage..
    But cruise controls are the main cause of sleeping at the wheel & thus banned in many countries....
    Mabey your car (god) is giving you a hint.

     

    by: aleghartPosted on 2009-10-05 at 16:34:26ID: 25500856

    The cruise control system uses vacuum from the engine.  There may be a leak.  Sometimes there is an extra vacuum reservoir to keep the servo unit from losing vacuum over extended time on hills.

    Troubleshooting one-by-one can be expensive.

    First, check:

    Burned out or flaky brake lights.  Replace them.
    Horn honks?  Check the fuses and horn relay.  Cruise switches need voltage from there.
    Check fuse for cigarette lighter (driver's side or the "always-on" one).

    Those are the cheap and easy things to check.

    Try here for a few more steps:
    http://www.thorssell.net/hbook/cctest.html

    C'mon experts...don't give up and run to the mechanic without giving it a cursory try.

     

    by: NicoJuicyPosted on 2009-10-05 at 23:26:56ID: 25502245

    What's the point aleghart.

    9 times out of 10 he can't solve it on his own, why let him believe he can if the chance are quite big that he won't be able to fix it on his own.

    Why let him spend money, i still believe i gave him a good answer.

     

    by: aleghartPosted on 2009-10-06 at 00:55:01ID: 25502651

    >9 times out of 10 he can't solve it on his own

    Didn't you had a historical perspective on the OP.

    >Why let him spend money

    Checking fuses, hoses, and light bulbs costs zero dollars.  Most drivers wouldn't consider getting their hands dirty, or even try to read the fuse box diagram.  That's just lazy.

    It doesn't take an expert to say "go see a mechanic".  For that matter, why not tell everyone else here to go pay money to a computer tech, or hire a low-voltage contractor?

    I think Experts-Exchange is the best example of DIY.  Not just from a budget perspective.  The sense of accomplishment is often a better trade, even it might take more time troubleshooting and learning.

     

    by: Michael-BestPosted on 2009-10-06 at 05:19:12ID: 25504132

    "working intermittently" is the hardest to to diagnose & almost always elecrical.
    Any conditions that cause it not to work or work on a reagular basis?
    Weather / altitude / air-conditioning on vs off will help trace the cause / location  to diagnose whether it be a fuse a short-circuit or a faulty IC chip.
    Good luck.

     

    by: KMDCompPosted on 2009-10-06 at 06:35:40ID: 25504805

    Thanks guys, I recently replaced some tail lights, nothing looked odd or corroded.  The problem existed before the lights failed or at least before I noticed that the lights failed.  I'll double check them, maybe I missed one that was out and I wasnt able to check the backup lights at that time.  I have an OBDII Scanner, no error codes are ever stored when I hook it up.    

    I didn't think about checking the fuses since it's an intermittent problem, but I'll take a look when I have a chance.  

    Hey Michael, I agree, intermittent problems are the absolute worst things in the world to track down.  I don't think weather, altitude, or AC has anything to do with it.  Frequently if I stop for gas it will flip from working to not working or vice versa.  It doesn't seem to matter if I stop at a gas station that is close to home where the vehicle hasn't had time to reach FOT or after I've been driving for awhile.  I haven't been able to notice any kind of pattern and believe me, I've been trying :).  The only thing I can say for sure is it has gotten worse over time.  It used to happen about every other start, drive, stop cycle, now it's more common for it not to work than work.  If I'm lucky it will work a couple times per week.    

    I'll check the hoses again also, last time I just made sure they were hooked up and well seated, when I have time I'll really dig in and test the lines themselves and test the vacuum canisters also.

    Ill keep this open at least until I have a chance to do a more complete inspection, hopefully this weekend.    

     

    by: NicoJuicyPosted on 2009-10-07 at 04:56:14ID: 25514351

    aleghart, none the less he has a OBDII scanner (which i didn't know from the topic start), a lot of ppl wouldn't buy one just to check something that they don't know for sure they can fix. And besides that, their are other Ford exclusive garage tools/meters which he cannot buy.

    Fixing a problem on your computer with tools you can buy is something totally different than trying to fix something with material only a official garage reseller can own / buy.

    And even though if there's a rare case he can buy those tools, i don't think he would be pay 10x as much just for the tools than the costs of letting it check by a garage.

     

    by: Michael-BestPosted on 2009-10-07 at 10:28:40ID: 25517773

    Also look for corrosion when checking fuses & wiring plugs causing intermittent problems ; bad contact / short-circuit .
    I thought humidity may have been a clue, but as you said:
     "I haven't been able to notice any kind of pattern "
    Good luck.

     

    by: aleghartPosted on 2009-10-07 at 11:15:24ID: 25518229

    NicoJuicy, my recommendations were to troubleshoot items that can be done by the average teenager, and do not cost money.  Check fuses, bulbs, loose hoses.

    I made no recommendations for buying equipment of any kind.  (Assuming, of course, the OP has fingers and eyes.)  :)

     

    by: mikelfritzPosted on 2009-10-19 at 18:56:42ID: 25610502

    How about the recall?
    http://www.internetautoguide.com/auto-recalls/09-int/2002/ford/ranger/index.html
    Recall ID 67627  

    This mentions that the cruise control may not work properly, could actually torch the vehicle...
    http://www.usautoinjurylaw.com/cases/fires/ford-ranger.htm

    Maybe your switch is bad?

     

    by: _phoenix_Posted on 2009-12-02 at 13:09:33ID: 25956617

    KMDComp,

    If you have an OBDII scanner you could check for the historic faults in the system, and check if one of the faults for the Cruise Control are there, if anyone is set, it's most probable that you have a problem with a sensor not well connected or a short circuit in one of the devices.

    When faults are intermittent in the system, they're normally cleared by the ECU (send to historic) when it does a successful recovery of the fault, you're not going to see them as active faults.

    Getting a list for fault codes on your car model may be difficult unless you have one as you have your OBDII scanner.

    Regards

     

    by: KMDCompPosted on 2009-12-23 at 02:44:13ID: 31669368

    Took it to a dealer and another garage, they don't have a clue what the problem is.  I gave both places 2 cracks at fixing the problem and it's clear that both places are just shotgunning hoping they eventually guess right.  I've spent enough money and time on this that I've just given up on the thing working again.

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