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Ideal Password

Asked by: Mateen

I have decided to change password of my various email accounts. I want to keep one password.
Can any body suggest me some good passwords keeping following in consideration.

a) minimum 10 characters and maximum 20
b) all alphabets and in lower case.
c) my hobbies r
   playing chess
  and
  watching cricket only one day international.
  the password may contain word of any language meaning chess or cricket.

d) english words:
  ilovechess or ilovemywife
  I may consider equivalent word in other language.
  The sender must name the language and meaning of each word.



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Answers

 

by: moorhouselondonPosted on 2005-05-21 at 02:26:33ID: 14050988

Different places have different criteria, so a password may be accepted in one place but be rejected elsewhere.

Never never use the same password everywhere.  My recommendation is to have a private table of 36 passwords: one for each letter of the alphabet and the numerals.  So when you login to somewhere you just need to know the username and the first letter of the password - you consult your table to fill in the password properly.  Some sites will insist you change your password regularly and can't repeat old passwords.  Use a password with a sequence number at the end, which is incremented.

 

by: moorhouselondonPosted on 2005-05-21 at 02:34:51ID: 14051011

The idea with the 36 choices is that they have different security levels built into them, which you yourself choose when a site refuses to accept a password you wanted to use elsewhere in the table.

For instance A might be ABC.  If you sign up for a gmail account, gmail probably won't like that password - too few characters, too easy to guess, etc. so you might dream up

BL00DHOUND

which will be acceptable (which you will add into your table).  But don't fill the letters out linearly, pick out letters at random

 

by: MateenPosted on 2005-05-21 at 02:38:29ID: 14051015

moorhouselondon:
I understand.

If I could have equivalent words 4
i love my wife in  few other ( say 7) languages then I would have 7 same passwords.

 

by: BillAn1Posted on 2005-05-21 at 03:06:20ID: 14051054

the one thing you should avoid is having a password which is made up of words (in any langauge) they are too easy to crack.
The "ideal" password is a completely random one. Any password where you have used a rule to derive it is susceptable to being hacked, because if you can think up a "rule" then so can someone else. So, if you have 'ilovemywife' in 7 different languages, then once someone breaks one of them (which will be very easy, since it is a simple phrase) they will be very quick to find the other 6 passwords too (you are not the first person to think of translating words into another language to 'encrypt' them !!) Of course it depends what it is you are trying to protect, how secure you need to be, but keeping a table with all your passwords is like leaving your front-door keys sitting outside under a flower pot, just asking thieves to help themselves.

 

by: moorhouselondonPosted on 2005-05-21 at 04:01:53ID: 14051145

I do agree with the points BillAn1 makes.  

Unfortunately, human nature takes the easy course.  Truly random passwords just have to be written down somewhere, whereas I keep all my passwords in my head.  

 

by: hilayPosted on 2005-05-21 at 04:37:53ID: 14051210

I would use "shachmaton" or any "ilove" preffix with "shachmat"

"shachmat" in hebrew (and in old parsian) is chess and also the annocumnet of mate.

 

by: ozoPosted on 2005-05-21 at 06:59:19ID: 14051780

I would not use a password that was posted on a public forum such as this.
I would also be cautious about basing it on known things about you.
One way to be memorable but non obvious is to use the first letters of a phrase, throwing in some punctuation for good measure.
google good password for other recomendations.

 

by: XxavierPosted on 2005-05-21 at 07:30:52ID: 14051887

Some anagrams of CHESS and CRICKET are

CHECKERS TICS
CHECKERS CIST
CHICK SECRETS
CHICKS CERTES
CHICKS ERECTS
CHICKS SECRET
SCC SKETCHIER

This is a great anangram maker:- http://www.wordsmith.org/anagram/  (use the advanced option)

Some people use patterns on the key board. eg fgtrdcvbhy is a spiral stating af f. It could cause problems if faced with a different  key board though. Using a combimation of memorable words for you slightly mispelled is easy to remember as well.

 

by: XxavierPosted on 2005-05-21 at 07:31:32ID: 14051890

...make sure you let us know on what you decide on of course.  :)

 

by: XxavierPosted on 2005-05-21 at 07:34:07ID: 14051894

Forgot the using of a word actually on the login page (slightly mispelled) if they have a login page.

 

by: XxavierPosted on 2005-05-21 at 07:35:50ID: 14051899

"..stating af f." -> "starting at f"

 

by: itchopinPosted on 2005-05-21 at 09:11:27ID: 14052171

To me, I use acronym, like ozo said. Using acronym you can have longer phrase to get the 10~20 alphabet password. Like "ilmwbilpcm" stands for "I love my wife but I love playing chess more" (just example :p )

But not necessary must be the first letter of a phrase. You can play around with the acronym algorithm. You can take the last letter, the middle one, or combine with some kind of rules (provided you remember how you generate the rule).

I believe you get my point.

Good luck.

 

by: arch_greatPosted on 2005-05-22 at 02:32:30ID: 14054375

Think of anything ...mixing of terms from chess and cricket , some players name ..something meaningful to you but not a dictionary word :-)

chessodi
odivstest
cricketorchess
cricketandchess
sachin
waugh
sachinhaq
pitchboard
vishyanand  (vishwanath anand)
kasparov
googlyrook
bowledmate
wicketknight
bishopstump
checket (combo words :-))


Good Luck
Archana

 

by: mkbeanPosted on 2005-05-22 at 21:08:53ID: 14057748

Hi Mateen,

Take a look at this great article on just this topic.  It suggests using pass phrases instead of passwords and shows you the power of using those pass phrases.

http://www.adminprep.com/articles/default.asp?action=show&articleid=49

Brian

 

by: Infinity08Posted on 2005-05-23 at 01:02:17ID: 14058421

Question : what is the ideal password ?

Answer :
1) a password that no-one else knows (so don't ask us for one :))
2) a password that no-one else can guess (don't use anything that referes to you, like using your hobbies (as you suggested), personal details, ...)
3) a password that can't easily be brute-forced (take a long password with as much different kinds of characters in it : letters, numbers, symbols, ...)
4) a password that is unique (don't use the same password in 2 locations !)

It's as simple as that :)

 

by: makc_the_greatPosted on 2005-05-23 at 03:21:43ID: 14058945

lovingwifeiplaychess

sounds like 20 chars :)
try this:
tilmwpcwcoodi
= [t]hings [i] [l]ove: [m]y [w]ife, [p]laying [c]hess and [w]atching [c]ricket [o]nly [o]ne [d]ay [i]nternational

 

by: meintsiPosted on 2005-05-23 at 07:01:28ID: 14060248

As far as the chess idea, I like    WOODPUSHER

providing you aren't one, since the
Chess Definition: a player that is not very good.

 

by: BillAn1Posted on 2005-05-23 at 09:47:10ID: 14061749

make sure that when you decide which password to use, you let us all know what it is,
and do post here all your logon IDs & account numbers as well, so we can verify that they are 'ideal' too :-)

 

by: WileECoyote45305Posted on 2005-05-23 at 12:39:38ID: 14063167

checkcheckmate
checkmatewin
yousunkmybattleship (ok, ok, I know that doesn't meet ALL of your criteria but I thought it was funny)

I don't know what each chess pawn is called (like king, queen, etc.) but maybe you could incorporate your favorite one (don't tell us) with another word or so (maybe your favorite cricket position, play, or term). Just an idea...

 

by: leojlPosted on 2005-05-24 at 00:12:04ID: 14066080


idealpassword is the ideal password ... and  we have 10<13<20 so it meets all criteria.

 

by: itchopinPosted on 2005-05-24 at 00:35:36ID: 14066160

suddenly I think of something funny. Whatever suggestion or method to generate a password that was found here from anyone of us, it will not help much to Mateen coz what he's looking for is an IDEAL PASSWORD, which is unbreakable. So if we can think of these method, so can other people out there.

Mateen, good luck to you! :-)

 

by: ozoPosted on 2005-05-24 at 01:15:35ID: 14066340

The password should depend on something that is not posted here and that none of us know,
such as a phrase that Mateen has not told us, and will not give us any hints to, except that it should contain a good variety of characters.

 

by: ArawnPosted on 2005-05-24 at 06:05:01ID: 14067803

A good cricket would be something like

1boundary=4runs

This uses a combination of numbers, letters, and special characters.

Or for a chess password you might use something your favourite opening moves:

kh3pe4qf3

 

by: phileocaPosted on 2005-05-24 at 15:47:13ID: 14073448

acroynms make great passwords and are easy to remember.

often we'll take an acroynm and a numberical sequence and combine the two. i forget the actual name of the method. but it looks like this

acroynm: TRDS
number: 7560

password:T7R5D6S0

just remember your 2 sequences to combine them, as most people don't think of 2 different things while trying passwords

 

by: itchopinPosted on 2005-05-24 at 18:00:43ID: 14073943

I agree, a combination of alphabets and numbers will make the password more variations, but Mateen is looking for only alphabets, and all lower case.

 

by: qwaleteePosted on 2005-05-24 at 20:34:35ID: 14074525

Hi Mateen,

> i love my wife in  few other ( say 7) languages then I would have 7 same passwords.
Ahavti es ishti -- Hebrew, Ashkenazic (transliterated)
Ahavti et ishti -- Hebrew, Sephardic (transliterated)
These words actually appear in the Bible, when a Jewish servant does not wish freedom upon expiration of his indenture.

Of course, you should not use any password given here, since by definition, those given here are inferior.

Best regards,
qwaletee

 

by: MateenPosted on 2005-05-24 at 21:37:35ID: 14074739

Hi experts

I guess splitting points among so many would not be a good idea. Although the cenral Idea of most of the comments are same , I am accepting answer of Bill. The most sarcastic and humorous. Thanks Bill

 

by: WileECoyote45305Posted on 2005-05-25 at 10:32:43ID: 14079631

Nothing wrong with splitting points. But usually the sarcastic and humorous posts are sought after (and given points) in the Lounge, not elsewhere on EE. :-)

 

by: XxavierPosted on 2005-05-26 at 16:24:16ID: 14090916

Not that I deserved many or even any points but that has to be the crappiest bit of grading I have ever seen.

 

by: andrebaPosted on 2005-05-26 at 21:56:22ID: 14092070

Mateen, you might want to revise your grading, or experts might feel like it's not worth to contribute to your questions since serious answers were not rewarded..

:-)

 

by: MateenPosted on 2005-05-27 at 03:12:28ID: 14092960

Hi andreba.

If it is possible then

      makc_the_great be awarded 250 4 suggesting     [tilmwpcwcoodi]
and itchopin            be awarded 250 4 his suggestion [ilmwbilpcm]

 

by: andrebaPosted on 2005-05-27 at 04:13:03ID: 14093285

Post a Question in Community Support
http://www.experts-exchange.com/Community_Support/

requesting to reopen the question..

:-)

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