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Spoken Like a True Genius

Asked by: maramom

To increase the difficulty of this puzzle for the seasoned solvers, a minimum instruction is supplied. Hints may be given with progression (or lack thereof), if needed.

It’s up to you to figure out the method of each twist and how to arrive at the solutions.

PART I:                                        100pts
Match to Solve 1-26

1.     ABOWS               a) type of pasta              
2.     GLOOTU              b) inactive
3.     CAPO                  c) dolt or clod
4.     INN                     d) a well known tank engine
5.     SLEFIT                e) tacky or cheap
6.     TFINN                 f) stubborn hybrid
7.     RAJ                     g) supplement with great effort    
8.     NACLS                 h) present
9.     DERAOT              i) cavern
10.     TGEZZ               j) broadcasted
11.     PIAW                 k) illumination
12.     EIZ                    l) round pin
13.     REVON              m) wonderful land
14.     EM                    n) certain letters
15.     MASA                o) disfigure
16.     EL                     p) entire
17.     ZNACLS             q) fight’s alternative
18.     ROZEWF            r) with chip or veggie
19.     FYNO                 s) express derision
20.     NITTAO              t) interjection
21.     OXO                   u) tiny
22.     PEVONT              v) stop
23.     TIF                     w) altruistic collie
24.     GOITO                x) entities
25.     GEPO                  y) medieval fur
26.     IAWOR                z) a certain missile or uncle

PART II:                                         50pts.
Solve the phrase:
Eliminate twin fowl

PART III:                                        250pts.
Figure out the connection between Part I and Part II

POINTS:
The scoring is as noted above to the right of each section. An additional 100 pts. are reserved for valid contributions (that may not necessarily be an ‘answer’) and the unexpected. In order to score in Part I—you must answer 5 or more to receive EE’s minimum 20 pts.

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    Answers

     

    by: PaulCaswellPosted on 2006-06-16 at 15:04:31ID: 16924003

    Hi maramom,

    Part I

    1    ABOWS     INERT     b) inactive
    2    GLOOTU    CHEESY    e) tacky or cheap
    3    CAPO      GIVE      h) present
    4    INN       ALL       p) entire
    5    SLEFIT    THOMAS    d) a well known tank engine
    6    TFINN     SMALL     u) tiny
    7    RAJ       DIP       r) with chip or veggie
    8    NACLS     LIGHT     k) illumination
    9    DERAOT    BODIES    x) entities
    10    TGEZZ     SCOFF     s) express derision
    11    PIAW      VAIR      y) medieval fur
    12    EIZ       OAF       c) dolt or clod
    13    REVON     DOWEL     l) round pin
    14    EM        OZ        m) wonderful land
    15    MASA      ZITI      a) type of pasta
    16    EL        OH        t) interjection
    17    ZNACLS    FLIGHT    q) fight’s alternative
    18    ROZEWF    DEFORM    o) disfigure
    19    FYNO      MULE      f) stubborn hybrid
    20    NITTAO    LASSIE    w) altruistic collie
    21    OXO       EKE       g) supplement with great effort
    22    PEVONT    VOWELS    n) certain letters
    23    TIF       SAM       z) a certain missile or uncle
    24    GOITO     CEASE     v) stop
    25    GEPO      COVE      i) cavern
    26    IAWOR     AIRED     j) broadcasted


    Paul

     

    by: PaulCaswellPosted on 2006-06-16 at 15:32:31ID: 16924115

    Hi maramom,

    PART II:                                         50pts.
    Eliminate twin fowl

    Kill two birds

    Paul

     

    by: maramomPosted on 2006-06-16 at 15:59:58ID: 16924224

    COOL!
    Fast, too!
    On to Part III...

     

    by: PaulCaswellPosted on 2006-06-16 at 16:14:50ID: 16924289

    Hi maramom,

    I've been searching for a while now for 'kill two birds' or 'with one stone', this is a tough one or I'm up a long blind alley. :-)

    Paul

     

    by: maramomPosted on 2006-06-16 at 16:39:59ID: 16924392

    You will not find the answers in a direct search. There's a twist to overcome, first. Look at the other clues that you have (Part I solution), as well as the title, and it should all fall into place.

     

    by: maramomPosted on 2006-06-16 at 19:32:15ID: 16925063

    Concentration will help you solve this puzzle.

    a hint that I left out ( purposefully) may help:
    --transcribe the missing finite object of the fractured phrase.

     

    by: mpn_1983Posted on 2006-06-16 at 19:58:29ID: 16925119

    this is the first one of these i've ever particpated in and i feel like i my make a fool of myself but i leaning towards something to do with
    Thomas Edision???

    Matt

     

    by: maramomPosted on 2006-06-17 at 03:26:27ID: 16926259

    To summarize, Paul solved Part I by decrypting the cryptograms 1-26:
    INERT CHEESY GIVE ALL THOMAS SMALL DIP LIGHT BODIES SCOFF VAIR OAF DOWEL OZ ZITI OH FLIGHT DEFORM MULE LASSIE EKE VOWELS SAM CEASE COVE AIRED

    Paul also solved the Part II fractured phrase: Kill two birds (with one stone)

    The Part I solution is another puzzle and a portion of Part II must be transformed to link them together.

     

    by: maramomPosted on 2006-06-17 at 17:03:11ID: 16928091

    BTW, Matt, Thomas Edision, although a genius, is not the subject of this puzzle. Interesting, though, I didn't realize the hints within might lead you there. Good try. The genius will be named in Part II of the puzzle. For Part I, as already stated, Concentration will help.

     

    by: mpn_1983Posted on 2006-06-17 at 18:00:43ID: 16928192

    I rather feel like a blind man in a dark room looking for a black hat which isn't there.

    And i go on holiday for two weeks on monday so i don't have long to attempt a solution - but thanks for the puzzle, i love a challenge.

    you know even after paul posted his solution it took me a while to work out how he got it. (Like i say i've never done this before)

    once again ty.  I might try and come up with my own puzzle whilst on holiday see if can test you guys even slightly.

    Matt
    p.s. If i don't crack it (which seems quite likely) i'll look forward to reading the solution when i return.

     

    by: maramomPosted on 2006-06-17 at 19:59:03ID: 16928323

    As author of a puzzle, one must be careful what is written in a comment, as the solvers may look for hints within those comments.
    I must clarify:
    << Interesting, though, I didn't realize the hints within might lead you there.
    I posted that comment to demonstrate that some of the words may have led Matt to believe it may lead to Thomas Edison.
    There are no hints within the words solved in Part I. The words are simply part of the puzzle.

     

    by: maramomPosted on 2006-06-17 at 20:02:10ID: 16928328

    correction: There are no hints within the meaning of the words

     

    by: Galisteo8Posted on 2006-06-18 at 15:04:00ID: 16930876

    >...one must be careful what is written in a comment, as the solvers may look for hints within those comments.

    For example, when Maramom suggests that concentration may help, it makes me suspect that the list of words produced in step 1 must somehow be combined -- that is, "concentrated" into fewer words or phrases.

     

    by: maramomPosted on 2006-06-18 at 18:03:40ID: 16931377

    @Galisteo8 >>the list of words produced in step 1 must somehow be combined -- that is, "concentrated" into fewer words or phrases
    Good call! You are on the right track of thinking.
    My reference to Concentration, however, was more specific.
    A classic game holds a clue about the style of the puzzle (Part I).

     

    by: MASQUERAIDPosted on 2006-06-18 at 23:19:41ID: 16932163

     

    by: WwysdomPosted on 2006-06-19 at 00:38:54ID: 16932538

    Could the genius be Einstein?

    Einstein sounds like One Stone.
    Maybe ein stein means one stone in a european language?
    (Though I don't know which)

     

    by: WwysdomPosted on 2006-06-19 at 00:50:31ID: 16932605

    German.

    Ein Stein is German for One Stone.

     

    by: maramomPosted on 2006-06-19 at 04:14:42ID: 16933342

    Genius solved! Einstein

    Rebus is correct. Rebus puzzles use the sound of (ussually) a picture to add to letters to acheive the solution. Example: Van+It+E Fare = Vanity Fair.
    Although this puzzle is not a true Rebus, the Rebus is the closest style I could connect to this puzzle, as "sounds" of words will solve it.
    It's more like: Pizza Pizza = Piece of Pizza.

     

    by: PaulCaswellPosted on 2006-06-19 at 11:29:02ID: 16936478

    maramom,

    Good puzzle! That last bit had us stumped. Great work Wwysdom!

    My wife and I sort of double-team these puzzles when we can. Its great fun! :-)

    Paul

     

    by: Galisteo8Posted on 2006-06-19 at 12:24:18ID: 16936912

    Must need more coffee here, but...
    What was the connection between Part 1 and Part 2 that helped with Part 3?

     

    by: maramomPosted on 2006-06-19 at 13:56:04ID: 16937718

    Part III is getting the connection, which will be obvious when the puzzle is solved. Einstein is part of the connection. I thought it would be more obvious than it apparently is, however, so I hesitated giving out too many clues, and actually toughened up the puzzle.
    Knowing that the genius is Einstein should help, the language is German (the puzzle is in English..no more translations), as well as the title.
    To help things along...this portion of the puzzle, isolated, may make it a bit more obvious:

    DEFORM MULE LASSIE EKE VOWELS SAM CEASE COVE AIRED

     

    by: maramomPosted on 2006-06-19 at 14:48:49ID: 16938060

    I realized I made some erroneous references to the Parts of the puzzle in some posts. To clarify, if it caused any confusion: Part I and Part II were solved by PaulCaswell. Part III is the connection that links Part I to Part II....of which has partially been solved by Wwysdom. Making the full the connection in Part III involves solving the resulting puzzle from Part I. Any references I have made to solving Part I or Part II after they were already solved, should have been prefaced with "the puzzle obtained from" or "the results obtained from".

     

    by: Jason210Posted on 2006-06-19 at 15:20:52ID: 16938268

    DEFORM MULE LASSIE EKE VOWELS SAM CEASE COVE AIRED

    E=MC squared...

    Ze...ahem... The formula "C" equals "M" "C" squared....

    :-)

     

    by: Jason210Posted on 2006-06-19 at 15:22:22ID: 16938283

    Sorry for stealing that last bit all those who worked so hard - I have been following this...

     

    by: maramomPosted on 2006-06-19 at 15:24:53ID: 16938306

    Good work, Jason!
    decrypt the rest:
    INERT CHEESY GIVE ALL THOMAS SMALL DIP LIGHT BODIES SCOFF VAIR OAF DOWEL OZ ZITI OH FLIGHT

     

    by: Jason210Posted on 2006-06-19 at 15:33:08ID: 16938382

    And the first bit...

    Energy [give all] to mass multiplied by the square of the velocity of light.

    I couldn't figure the [give all]...

     

    by: Jason210Posted on 2006-06-19 at 15:43:51ID: 16938485

    Altogether:

    Energy is [eqivalent] to mass multiplied by the square of the velocity of light the formula "C" equals "M" "C" squared?

     

    by: WwysdomPosted on 2006-06-19 at 15:58:36ID: 16938614

    Jason's got it. But just to refine his answer:

    Energy is equivalent to mass multiplied by the square of the velocity of light. The formula's E equals M C squared.

     

    by: Jason210Posted on 2006-06-19 at 16:05:28ID: 16938643

    Doh! Of course it's E = mc squared - I just read it as "C" and didn't think.

    That was a great puzzle maramom. I love the phonetics bit - very funny!

     

    by: maramomPosted on 2006-06-19 at 16:11:12ID: 16938672

    Energy's         equal  to   mass  multiplied       by   the square        of   the velocity    of   light.
    InertChee's  yGiveAll  tho masS mallDipLight  Bod   die sScoffVair   Oaf  Do welOzZiti OhF light

    The formula's       E  equals          M         C     Squared
    De formMuleLA'ss ie  EkeVowelsS  am       Cea seCoveAired

    With a German accent of course.

    The original puzzle was: EE Quayles Emcees Quay Red

    Great job! Points to come soon....

     

    by: maramomPosted on 2006-06-19 at 17:45:54ID: 16939023

    I wanted to point out...
    I found some sites that call the Phonetic puzzles: FRACTURED PHRASES
    http://www.keepingapace.com/blogarchives/pot_luck/fractured_phrases.php

    Although when researching terminology for this puzzle I found fractured phrases to be of this sort: http://www.4pcb.com/fun/phrases/quotes_orders_products_services_fractures_phrases.asp?PhraseID=19
    which is the type in Part II's "Eliminate twin fowl"


    Spoken Like a True Genius

    A Summary:
    The first part of the puzzle was a cryptogram, decoded by matching the proper definitions. The solution left a phonetic puzzle which were the spoken words of the genius to be solved in Part III.
    =>Solved by PaulCaswell: 100 pts.

    The second part was a fractured phrase, which left out the clue to name the genius from the title.
    =>Solved by PaulCaswell: 50 pts.

    The third part was to connect the solutions from the above:  "Kill two birds" and "INERT CHEESY GIVE ALL THOMAS SMALL DIP LIGHT BODIES SCOFF VAIR OAF DOWEL OZ ZITI OH FLIGHT DEFORM MULE LASSIE EKE VOWELS SAM CEASE COVE AIRED"
    =>Solved by Wwysdom: 150 pts
        for translating the missing "One Stone" into Einstein
    =>Solved by Jason210: 150 pts.
        using german accented phonetics to solve the words as the following "Energy is equivalent to mass multiplied by the square of the velocity of light. The formula's E equals M C squared." (with an error that I missed when I initially read the post) The actual solution was "Energy's equal to the square of the velocity of light. The Formula's E=MC squared."

    Part III originally allotted 250 points. I added 50 pts. to the bank.

    Other Contributors: MASQUERAID: 25 pts.
                                 for finding Rebus through Concentration                              
                                 Galisteo8: 25 pts.
                                 for the clue of combining and concentrating the words


     

    by: maramomPosted on 2006-06-19 at 17:58:52ID: 16939064

    I also wanted to confirm that Jason did have the formula correct  
    http://www.experts-exchange.com/Miscellaneous/Puzzles_Riddles/Q_21889487.html#16938268

     

    by: Galisteo8Posted on 2006-06-19 at 18:13:05ID: 16939108

    Great puzzle, Maramom.  LOL -- When I asked earlier what the connection was between Parts 1 & 2, I thought the puzzle had already been solved and I just couldn't see it!  Clearly I wasn't paying attention -- and most CERTAINLY I wasn't paying any attention or I should have caught the phonetic bit (I've used similar devices before).  <sigh>  I must be working too hard these days....  :)

    Thanks for the points, though.  Glad I could contribute a wee bit.

     

    by: WwysdomPosted on 2006-06-19 at 18:35:50ID: 16939182

    Thanks, maramom. Looking forward to your next puzzle.

     

    by: MASQUERAIDPosted on 2006-06-19 at 22:36:18ID: 16939941

    Thanks :o)

     

    by: Jason210Posted on 2006-06-20 at 01:46:37ID: 16940555

    Thanks a bunch!

     

    by: PaulCaswellPosted on 2006-06-20 at 13:14:09ID: 16945996

    Good puzzle. :-) Keep em coming.

    Paul

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