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Math Riddle

Asked by: tim_cs

A friend gave me a puzzle that he is trying to solve and I haven't even began to figure it out and neither has he.  It's going to drive me crazy not knowing what the solution is so if anybody has any clues that would be great.  I tried to google the answer after trying to solve it for a while but only found a website where they ask the question.  So....

How would you get this
   To be or not to be
From this
   3 7 25438 819 7 158

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Answers

 

by: RobinDPosted on 2008-04-18 at 11:53:03ID: 21388611

looks like fun, the site I found was presumably the same as the one you had where only a handful of people seem to have solved it.
So as not to spoil other peoples fun I wonder if a solution was found here that it could be hinted at but not posted directly?

The first thing I thought of was that I had seen it written as '2b||!2b', not sure if that has anything to do with it though.

 

by: RobinDPosted on 2008-04-18 at 13:06:40ID: 21389178

I see 13 letters in 'to be or not to be' but only 6 symbols used. The code has 6 groups of letters although it is a bit of a staller that 25438 won't divide by 4...

 

by: InteractiveMindPosted on 2008-04-18 at 13:13:32ID: 21389232

Suppose that more than 26 groups of numbers were to occur......

 

by: RobinDPosted on 2008-04-18 at 13:34:41ID: 21389419

>Suppose...

I did wonder, and the site that offers this problem has a code to be solved with 54 groups of numbers.
Must be something else then... I'm trying to squeeze some prime numbers in there at the moment.

 

by: ozoPosted on 2008-04-19 at 19:33:07ID: 21394831

If you let
t=3
o=7
b=2
e=79
r=23
n=13
then
t   o   b*e*o*r   n*o*t*t   o  b*e
=
3 7 25438 819 7 158
But that also works if
b=79 and e=2

 

by: ozoPosted on 2008-04-20 at 00:18:11ID: 21395257

I'd guesss that e=2 and b=79,  that letters appearing more frequently in english are assigned to smaller primes, and that letters in each number are presented in alphabetical order

 

by: ozoPosted on 2008-04-20 at 01:26:16ID: 21395355

It looks like the letter order used was close to linotype order with a few minor changes.
It may be easier to recognize the solution if you speak Bantu

 

by: nixfreakPosted on 2008-04-20 at 02:23:03ID: 21395458

ozo,

for the code given here http://www.scouting.org.za/codes/prize.html:

3 2261 86 133 19 365 6 23 365 1922 2 70499 259 3 19 6095 11 41 325 493 61 78 17 7 47 6 517 286 3053 505 37 1147 13 15 7285 11 3819 19 365 146 187 33 2 87 19 146 4805 118 7 53 4147 1111 37 1147

factorizing the numbers and using the code you proposed appears to produces unintelligible text.
for example "365 6 23 365" and "87"  has an awful lot of t's clustered together. but ofcourse i could be wrong.

since the lesser primes are most common i imagine 2,3 and 7 to be the most commonly used alphabets.  

 

by: nixfreakPosted on 2008-04-20 at 02:25:21ID: 21395462

> since the lesser primes are most common i imagine 2,3 and 7 to be the most commonly used alphabets.

on second thought this needn't apply here.

 

by: ozoPosted on 2008-04-20 at 08:41:14ID: 21396431

if t=3, the only factor of 3 in 365 6 23 365" and "87" is  2*3

 

by: nixfreakPosted on 2008-04-20 at 10:28:14ID: 21396856

aarh! sorry about that, i was scribbling on a used piece of paper and lost track.

 

by: ozoPosted on 2008-04-20 at 11:32:27ID: 21397119

there is a factor of 3 in "87" but it's not in a cluster

 

by: nixfreakPosted on 2008-04-20 at 11:45:47ID: 21397173

ozo,

> there is a factor of 3 in "87" but it's not in a cluster

sure. anyway, the caculation i had done earlier was totally messed up. :-)

I thought it might help so here's what the code the decomposition and alphabet subtitution (done with a script and double-checked):

(T)  (O,17,19)  (E,43)  (O,19)  (19)  (5,73)  (E,T)  (R)  (5,73)  (E,31,31)  (E)  (11,N,17,29)  (O,37)  (T)  (19)  (5,R,53)  (11)  (41)  (5,5,N)  (17,29)  (61)  (E,T,N)  (17)  (O)  (47)  (E,T)  (11,47)  (E,11,N)  (43,71)  (5,101)  (37)  (31,37)  (N)  (T,5)  (5,31,47)  (11)  (T,19,67)  (19)  (5,73)  (E,73)  (11,17)  (T,11)  (E)  (T,29)  (19)  (E,73)  (5,31,31)  (E,59)  (O)  (53)  (11,N,29)  (11,101)  (37)  (31,37)

note that B(=79) doesn't appear at all. and also there are precious little text substitutions to go on with.

 

by: ozoPosted on 2008-04-20 at 12:24:13ID: 21397289

This is not the exact order
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETAOIN_SHRDLU
but it may be close enough to figure out when you realize where scouting.org.za is located

 

by: nixfreakPosted on 2008-04-20 at 15:34:31ID: 21397827

thanks for the tip.

one has to guess the correct order (http://deafandblind.com/word_frequency.htm) so its still tricky.

spotted the word scout so looks like c=29.



 

by: ozoPosted on 2008-04-20 at 16:26:45ID: 21397972

None of those is the exact order used, but some may be close enough so you can adjust the rest.

I don't believe that c=29 is correct
the solution I get does not contain the word "scout"

 

by: ozoPosted on 2008-04-20 at 16:46:31ID: 21398010

If you thought c=29 produced the word "scout", you may have missed what I said about alphabetical order

 

by: ozoPosted on 2008-08-28 at 13:52:30ID: 22339757

I thought I gave enough hints. but do you want the full answer?

 

by: ozoPosted on 2009-04-13 at 18:18:54ID: 24134306

Might as well post this, since its' been nearly a year

2 e
3 t
5 a
7 o
11 i
13 n
17 s
19 h
23 r
29 d
31 l
37 u
41 c
43 W
47 M
53 F
59 y
61 p
67 G
71 K
73 V
79 B
83 q
89 j
97 x
101 z

3       t
7       o
25438   Beor
819     nott
7       o
158     Be


3       t
2261    hos
86      eW
133     ho
19      h
365     aV
6       et
23      r
365     aV
1922    ell
2       e
70499   dins
259     ou
3       t
19      h
6095    aFr
11      i
41      c
325     aan
493     ds
61      p
78      ent
17      s
7       o
47      M
6       et
517     iM
286     ein
3053    KW
505     az
37      u
1147    lu
13      n
15      at
7285    alM
11      i
3819    Ght
19      h
365     aV
146     eV
187     is
33      it
2       e
87      dt
19      h
146     eV
4805    all
118     ey
7       o
53      F
4147    din
1111    iz
37      u
1147    lu

 

by: nixfreakPosted on 2009-04-13 at 23:11:53ID: 24135308

Ozo, thanks.

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