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Answers

 

by: Infinity08Posted on 2008-09-05 at 06:45:56ID: 22398827

fill the 5 liter bottle, and poor it in the 7 liter bottle
fill the 5 liter bottle, and poor it in the 7 liter bottle until it's full
the 5 liter bottle now contains 3 liters
empty the 7 liter bottle, and poor the 3 liters into it
fill the 5 liter bottle, and poor it in the 7 liter bottle until it's full
the 5 liter bottle now contains 1 liter
empty the 7 liter bottle, and poor the 1 liter into it
fill the 5 liter bottle, and poor it in the 7 liter bottle
the 7 liter bottle now contains exactly 6 liters

 

by: kieran_bPosted on 2008-09-05 at 06:52:31ID: 22398892

Well -> 5L
5L -> 7L
Well -> 5L
5L -> 7L (3L remain in 5L)
Empty 7L
5L -> 7L (3L now in 7L)
Well -> 5L
5L -> 7L (1L remain in 5L)
Empty 7L
5L -> 7L (1L now in 7L)
Well -> 5L
5L -> 7L (6L now in 7L)
7L to scale

This is one of the older measuring puzzles, and even made an appearance in Die Hard with a Vengeance (not that they figured it out, they guessed...)

I didn't trust your spreadsheet, and ran it on a honeymonkey machine...

 

by: KdoPosted on 2008-09-05 at 06:53:18ID: 22398902

Hi Infinity,

On this side of the pond, we "pour" liquids.

"poor" describes the last chap standing at closing time when the tab's not yet been paid.

  :)


 

by: Infinity08Posted on 2008-09-05 at 06:54:42ID: 22398912

>> "poor" describes the last chap standing at closing time when the tab's not yet been paid.

And that's exactly how I feel now lol ... I guess it was a Freudian slip ;)

 

by: kieran_bPosted on 2008-09-05 at 06:55:04ID: 22398918

If you were going to nitpick, you could have at least mentioned litre vs liter

 

by: Infinity08Posted on 2008-09-05 at 06:57:36ID: 22398944

>> litre vs liter

UK vs. US ;) I'm from Belgium - and due to TV, we're heavily influenced by the US English heh

 

by: kieran_bPosted on 2008-09-05 at 07:04:28ID: 22399026

Ahhh, considering the US folks probably have no idea what a litre is, they are not a good source :)

Incidentally, it is about a quarter of a gallon, and in petrol, costs us about $1.50 in Australia

 

by: KdoPosted on 2008-09-05 at 07:09:37ID: 22399096


"litre"

That's a typo, isn't it?  :)


 

by: Infinity08Posted on 2008-09-05 at 07:12:39ID: 22399126

>> That's a typo, isn't it?  :)

No, it's French. The English have always liked the French, and have taken over a lot of their words ... hehe

 

by: kieran_bPosted on 2008-09-05 at 07:14:37ID: 22399149

Considering English is a dialect of German, they probably got it from them :)

 

by: Infinity08Posted on 2008-09-05 at 07:16:24ID: 22399177

 

by: KdoPosted on 2008-09-05 at 07:16:46ID: 22399188


Ahha.  A history lesson.

The English have taken over a lot of the French words, the Germans took over everything else.  Twice.

  :)


 

by: kieran_bPosted on 2008-09-05 at 07:23:44ID: 22399260

Infinity, the root origin of the word is Greek - that the French are attributed it is one thing, but does not change that either the Germans got it from Greek as well (or from the French) and then pulled it to English.  As I said, English is a dialect of German - how the French got a mention at all is beyond me :)

Sofa comes from Arabic, and has equally nothing to do with the question at hand :))

And Kdo, careful, we are still an international site, and if the last 50 years are anything to go by... :P

 

by: Infinity08Posted on 2008-09-05 at 08:01:27ID: 22399693

Except that in German it's 'liter', not 'litre'. In French and UK English, it's 'litre'.

Btw, English is based both on old German and on Latin (via French). The English and French have a lot of history, and it's normal that a lot of words were taken over from the French :)  [http://french.about.com/library/bl-frenchinenglish.htm]

 

by: whatboyPosted on 2008-09-05 at 12:06:06ID: 22402541

If I say that at the end the little guy says "I love you" will I get Poinks???

 

by: 3aFaReeTPosted on 2008-09-16 at 04:59:23ID: 22487351

guys ... any other puzzles of the same kind :)
I just loved it

 

by: jkunreinPosted on 2009-03-25 at 06:47:23ID: 23979330

This type of puzzle can be solved with a linear Diophantine equation. Unfortunately, I did not get to play around with the SWF movie, but I see the gist.  You have a 5-liter jug and a 7-liter jug.  You need exactly 6 liters.  This can be modeled as:

5x + 7y = 6

All solutions of (x, y) will give you the correct way to solve this.  For example, x = -3 and y = 3.  This tells you that you will fill the 7-liter jug from the well 3 times and empty the 5-liter jug into the well 3 times.  
So, you fill the 7-liter jug (which I'll call Y) and use that water to fill the 5-liter jug (which I'll call X).  
You dump X and pour the remainder of Y into X, so you have 2 liters.
You fill Y again and use that water to fill X.
You dump X and pour the remainder of Y into X, so you now have 4 liters.
You fill Y again (for the third time) and use that water to fill X. This leaves you with 6 liters in Y.
You dump X (for the third time) so you have exactly 6 liters, which is your goal.

Another solution is x = 4 and y -2.  Now, you are going to fill the 5-liter jug from the well 4 times and empty the 5-liter jug into the well 2 times.  
So, you fill X and pour the contents into Y.
You fill X again and use that water to fill Y.
You dump Y and pour the remainder of X into Y, so you now have 3 liters.
You fill X again and use that water to fill Y.
You dump Y (for the second time) and pour the remainder of X into Y, so you now have 1 liter.
You fill X again (for the fourth time) and pour it into Y, so you now have a total of 6 liters.  

In fact, there are an infinite number of ways of doing this, but it really boils down to these two solutions. Sure, x = 24 and y = -12 will work, but you would end up with 6 liters several times.

You can create any number of these puzzles just by finding a, b, and c to fit this model:
ax + by = c
where x and y are integer solutions.

It's important to note that if a and b have a common factor, this must also be a factor of c.  Otherwise, x and y cannot be integers, and the system will not work for the water jug puzzle.  For example, it is impossible to get 7 liters from a 4-liter jug and a 10-liter jug.  You would have 4x + 10y = 7.  There is no solution for x and y which are integers, so you cannot solve this with the jugs.  On the other hand, you can solve 8x + 6y = 10, as 8 and 6 have a common divisor of 2, which is a factor of 10.  In actuality, this has the same solution as 4x + 3y = 5.  So, you can expand the jug puzzle by multiplying all the numbers by the same factor.  In the example above, you can do the same steps to get 30 liters of water out of a 25-liter jug and a 35-liter jug.  

This link can help out too:  http://www.wikihow.com/Solve-a-Linear-Diophantine-Equation

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