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OpenGL source code

Asked by: InteractiveMind

Hey,

where can I get the source code for the OpenGL library? I only have the compiled shared libs on my end (can these be decompiled?).

Thanks.

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2006-02-20 at 09:31:50ID21744055
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Answers

 

by: ozoPosted on 2006-02-20 at 15:30:00ID: 16004447

 

by: ozoPosted on 2006-02-20 at 15:35:46ID: 16004490

 

by: InteractiveMindPosted on 2006-02-21 at 14:58:16ID: 16013742

I mean the _actual_ original source code for OpenGL -- such as the GL class, etc.

 

by: davebytesPosted on 2006-02-22 at 07:50:41ID: 16020105

"the GL class"???  What GL class?

OpenGL is generally implemented as closed-source by the video-card driver companies on Windows, by Apple on Mac, and varied implementations under linux (some by vendor, some abstracted using the open-source Mesa GL replacement).  Hardware acceleration generally needs some kind of exposed 'hooks' to the video card, thus the card companies are involved.

Thus, aside from getting the source to Mesa, or GLUT, or the above-mentioned OpenGL sample implementation that SGI distributes, you can't actually GET the sources to the OpenGL implementations for the average say Windows graphics card...

-d

 

by: InteractiveMindPosted on 2006-02-22 at 13:10:05ID: 16023491

Oh. :(

Well, I'm trying to find out more about how OpenGL works ... currently, I'm interested in how it handles the Z-buffer.

Can you suggest any references which covers the workings of OpenGL to a high degree?

Thanks.

 

by: davebytesPosted on 2006-02-22 at 13:26:28ID: 16023627

What do you want to know about the z-buffer?  OpenGL doesn't actually 'handle' it -- the graphics chip does.  It's a low-level thing, and interaction with the z-buffer is also dependent on a number of other flags/states in the system.

If you look at Mesa, you'd probably have an idea of how one could manage a z-buffering technique -- that is, each rendered texel may have a z-depth for it, which (again depending on state) can test against the z-buffer to decide whether the new texel color should replace the old one.  Note the dependencies are all over, not just whether to even bother testing z, but which way to test it (greater than, less than, etc.), z-offset (to 'fudge' new things in front of old things at the same base z), etc.

-d

 

by: InteractiveMindPosted on 2006-02-22 at 13:33:13ID: 16023691

Ah right.

I tried to incorporate the technique you described above of comparing the depth of each texel to the z-buffer, etc. But it seems far too intense to implement in software.. With a resolution of 800x600, my program had a frame rate of about 11 Hz -- when I was lucky.

:(

 

by: InteractiveMindPosted on 2006-02-22 at 13:58:32ID: 16023955

I think I may just have to resort to the 'Painters Algorithm' -- which I was hoping to avoid, because of things like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Painters_problem.png
causing it to fail.

I don't suppose you know of any decent z-buffering techniques that aren't overly intense?

 

by: davebytesPosted on 2006-02-22 at 16:47:23ID: 16025115

well:
- use fixedpoint z
- use w-buffer (linear)
- use other optimizations in calcs (do a line at a time, cache-align stuff like 64-bytes)
- test Z before any other work
- do zone rendering (see PowerVR or intel), does small chunks, better cache-hits, better ability to quick-eliminate things from contention
- render front-to-back (z test fails more often, more quickly)

... etc.

What IS it you are trying to do?

Also can look at span-buffering, S-buffering, as another painter-type approach.

-d

 

by: InteractiveMindPosted on 2006-02-24 at 12:37:27ID: 16042047

I'm trying to create a graphics library - implemented purely in software. (Oh, not to mention pure Java).

Currently, I'm finding it nearly impossible to pull off a decent depth buffer whilst keeping the framerate above 10 Hz.

From the very little I have found online, S-buffering seems interesting ... but I cannot find any tutorials or the likes on it (well, nothing that I understand).

:(

 

by: davebytesPosted on 2006-02-24 at 21:26:19ID: 16044379

yowch.  yeah, java has proven difficult for software 3d... the folks who pull it off have probably used approaches more towards painters or span-buffering (with bsp trees, you can get somewhat decent results... never as accurate as a z-buf, but...), and most certainly take every shortcut they can to throw out large pieces of geometry before per-pixel computations.  frankly, that's what I think span-buffering and the zone-based-zbuffering (PowerVR, intel) try to do by looking at smaller pieces of geometry, hoping to make higher-level decisions to spare low-level, expensive, computation.  that includes general stuff like backface culling...

thus, the Java3D, Jogl, etc. libraries have really taken off as they give access to hardware or core-optimized routines.

I believe s-buffering (from old, old memory) was the basic Quake engine approach.  BSPs were used to optimize and cull at a high level, and s-buffering then worked off the edges of the polys, trying to pre-determine what span-lines of a given poly were 'in front'.  Which, in essence, is just a further improved version of painters. ;)

Here's the quickie s-buffer resources I found:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~smit/sbuffer.txt
http://www.flipcode.com/articles/article_cbuffer.shtml

Stuff by Michael Abrash is also always good... for obvious reasons (quake..).
http://www.gamers.org/dEngine/quake/papers/ddjzsort.html

That's all I've got at this point.  There's always 'smarter not harder' approaches to rendering, but none of it is snap-your-fingers instantaneous.  The Quake stuff might be the best reference, but it's also fairly complex code. ;)

-d

 

by: InteractiveMindPosted on 2006-02-26 at 08:44:28ID: 16049631

Cheers Dave, will have a read through some of this stuff, and get back to ya soon.

 

by: TimYatesPosted on 2006-03-01 at 05:35:47ID: 16074701

This is the best pure java 3d engine I know of..

http://www.idx3d.ch/idx3d/idx3d.html

maybe it can help?  (there is source available)

 

by: InteractiveMindPosted on 2006-03-01 at 05:43:11ID: 16074765

OMG. That engine is incredible! Cheers Tim!

 

by: InteractiveMindPosted on 2006-03-06 at 09:16:28ID: 16116209

Thanks all.

 

by: TimYatesPosted on 2006-03-06 at 09:43:35ID: 16116489

Good luck with it all Rob :-)

And thanks!

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