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Isometric Z-Order Depth Sorting

Asked by: MMKD

Ok, z-ordering in an isometric map is no problem if you have the base of all visual objects the same size as a tile...

So my question is what if the base of the object your drawing is larger than one tile.  
Look here for a small example http://kdmm.net/iso-sample.jpg.

See in this picture if I was to draw all objects in order starting at 0,0, the Dark blue box would overlap the first purple cylinder...  My guess is to give each object a Z-order value and then draw them in order, which is great and all but what would be a good method to determine a value for each object...

thanks

-Mark

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2004-12-16 at 15:23:42ID21245546
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Game Programming

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by: MMKDPosted on 2004-12-17 at 18:12:42ID: 12855543

Cant anyone help?

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by: bcladdPosted on 2004-12-19 at 16:56:21ID: 12863661

BlitzCoder has some examples that seem to apply. In particular, http://www.blitzcoder.com/cgi-bin/showcase/showcase_showentry.pl?id=turtle177605122002175421&comments=no is  a sample with some Basic code which works with edge walls.

GameDev.net has an entire section devoted to isometrics and tiles: http://www.gamedev.net/reference/list.asp?categoryid=44#98 I have found the Isometrics and Hexagonals article useful in the past.

Hope this helps. If you don't find the descriptions useful, I am sure some simple formula are easy to work out (so long as all items have unit sized footprints; note that one fix would be to work up your multi-tile sized objects as a collection of single tile "parts" ... not sure how good the idea is but it just occurred to me).

If you have more questions, post them.
-bcl

 

by: guitaristxPosted on 2005-01-04 at 09:23:57ID: 12954246

As long as your objects on your isometric grid never intersect inside of the same grid hex, you could just develop an algorithm that renders back-to-front, leaving undrawn portions of each grid occupant (if one exists) as transparent, showing the objects (or grid floor) behind it.  You technically don't even need 3d rendering for this.

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