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Why is C# not here?

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Why is C# not classified as a .NET language?

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2005-08-09 at 19:54:57ID21521697
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Answers

 

by: Arthur_WoodPosted on 2005-08-09 at 20:08:52ID: 14638822

what diffference does it make?  C# is present as a Language TA, even if it is not correctly positioned UNDER .NET - it really makes no difference in the grand scheme of things.  And is this REALLY worth 125 points?  Maybe 20, but certainly NOT 125.

 

by: athapaPosted on 2005-08-09 at 20:23:02ID: 14638871

If you scroll down the list VB.NET is also outside of .NET (it is also inside though). You seems to have enough time to think of this sort of thing :) must be bored.

AT

 

by: furqanchandioPosted on 2005-08-10 at 05:01:19ID: 14640874

hi

well in this world nothing man made is perfect. man's creation is full of flaws and inconsistencies like

why does an hour have 60 minutes instead of 100 (like every other measuring unit)
why do three systems of measuring temperature exist
why is the north pole of a magnet called north when actually it is south

plus we as humans dont even know whether the chicken came before or the egg

so kindly please forgive the moderators of EE
to ErrE is human

cheers

 

by: planoczPosted on 2005-08-10 at 06:10:58ID: 14641423

Thats like saying why do people ask ASP questions in .NET and not in ASP.NET area
and the same with why do people ask C# questions in .NET and not in C# area.

 

by: TheLearnedOnePosted on 2005-08-10 at 07:57:04ID: 14642567

You're asking the wrong people.  The site's system administrators are the ones who drive that train.  Experts just have to live with the world they created, but we are free to make suggestions.

Bob

 

by: Erick37Posted on 2005-08-10 at 08:01:09ID: 14642614

Tough crowd.

 

by: NetminderPosted on 2005-08-10 at 10:18:10ID: 14644149

Actually, the Admins aren't driving the train (at least with regard to the TAs) either; we've had no control over them for well over a year. We're just porters.

To answer your specific question, Erick37, when the two TAs were added in 2002, they were "hardlinked" -- meaning they were built into the database structure -- at /Programming/Programming_Languages/C_Sharp and /Programming/Programming_Languages/Dot_Net respectively. Why? My best guess is that either whoever made the decision that the two TAs should be added OR whoever at EE actually put them into the structure didn't now that much about the relationship between the two, and to be honest about it, if it hadn't been for the work I've been asked to do (which is why I'm not very active as an Admin any longer), I wouldn't know very much about it either -- I'm not a programmer.

That's the bad news. The good news is that, as you'll recall, EE spent a lot of energy going through the entire structure of the TAs late last year, and received a lot of input from Experts earlier this year. As a result, EE is rewriting the UI, with a heavy emphasis on making TA navigation more sensible; from what I've gathered, they're also planning on giving the Admins tools which will let us "fix" navigational issues on the fly, as opposed to needing to talk to Engineering about creating soft links so that (for example) C# can appear as a separate language AND under DotNET. Further, they're trying to work out the kinks in some customization, so if you want to see the DotNET questions, but not the C# ones, you'll be able to do that easily.

But no, they haven't given us an ETA yet, but it will be sooner rather than later.

Netminder

 

by: TheLearnedOnePosted on 2005-08-10 at 11:02:14ID: 14644665

Thank you, sir, Netminder, sir, for that explanation.  Somewhere along the line, I got the impression that you had more control than you actually have.

Bob

 

by: Erick37Posted on 2005-08-10 at 19:57:57ID: 14648649

Interesting that they didn't know that C# was the ONLY language on the list that was specifically designed for .NET.
But enough of that - thanks for the answer Netminder.
Hundreds of new topics?  Can you give us a sampler?  Is EE expanding out from its IT theme?

 

by: NetminderPosted on 2005-08-11 at 00:32:18ID: 14649501

Erick37,

It doesn't surprise me at all. EE is an Oracle site -- almost everything that happens is either Oracle objects or JSP. One of the two owners -- Austin -- spent years at Apple before joining EE. In both cases, there's no compelling reason for anyone there to know anything about a Microsoft system or product.

EE isn't expanding from its IT theme particularly, but it IS recognizing that the digital world has expanded significantly from what it was ten years, or even three years, ago. It will have whole sections on things like digital cameras (as an example).

But more to the point, EE is breaking down TAs from the Asker's viewpoint, as a way of guiding the Asker to give more information. Take the MS Access TA. The PE for that TA, our old comrade JDettman, recommended adding about half a dozen sub-TAs, so that people could put their questions into Queries, or Reports, or whatever is most appropriate. From the Expert side, JDettman (and all of the others) will see just MS Access, but the questions they get will be more defined, so the answers they receive won't require some additional information -- the Experts will know that the question is about a query or a report.

Additionally, we've had thousands of requests for TAs. We've gone through every one of them, and we've made the determination that it's better to have the TA than not. For example, MUMPS, which is a database system that is evidently "the best kept secret in IT", according to Wikipedia. There's almost no information about it anywhere, but it's used by hospitals all over the country, including the US veterans administration hospitals. By having a TA, it's EE's thinking that it will draw both experienced programmers and novice users, just because there's a place where someone might be able to get information. That's not a pipe dream, either -- EE can lay claim to having fostered standards and best practices in ASP, CSS, and even AS/400.

EE is also going to make it a lot easier for TAs to be added. I read about a dozen tech newsletters a day, at least. I look at half a dozen sites for information about new technologies. So instead of having to write to Engineering, and then wait for someone's desk to clear long enough to add another TA to the database, I'll be able to say "hey, Macintosh 10.4, aka Tiger, is being released two months from now. Let's add the TA today." We have dozens of MS MVPs as members; they're usually in a position to say "Windows Vista is going to go to beta testers in two weeks, so let's get a TA up about it, because we're the people doing the testing and we can answer questions about it." Instead of it taking six months to add Microsoft Sharepoint -- three years after it comes out -- we'll be able to add it now, before it actually hits the market. That's good for EE, and it's good for Experts.

Does that mean we'll have more TAs like Intel 64-Bit Programming? Possibly. But it also means EE will solidify its position as a place to get answers to questions. It will be easier for Askers -- most of whom are new members, unfamiliar with how EE works -- to get their answers, and it will be easier for Experts, some of whom care about VB, but who shouldn't have to click four times to get to their TAs, to provide them.

BTW, congratulations on the Genius certificate; I've been around long enough to remember when only one member had 1,000,000 points total, and I noticed that you just went over that mark in VB by itself. I know how much I struggled to answer questions, and the Genius level is an accomplishment that impresses me every time it happens. You're to be commended, and thanked, from both me and from EE, for your consistency and quality.

Netminder

 

by: Erick37Posted on 2005-08-12 at 10:13:19ID: 14662706

Thanks Netminder.
Looking forward to the new EE!

 

by: Erick37Posted on 2005-08-12 at 11:06:04ID: 14663198

Yes please.

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