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How can I convert signed binary fraction to signed decimal?

Asked by: shadow_shooter

Hello,

I want to convert a negative binary fraction to its equivalent in signed decimal fraction and signed hecadecimal fraction. I am not sure how I can do this. I know how to convert positive binary fractions to their equivalents in decimal and hexadecimal numbers.

For example 0.11010 can be converted to decimal number by finding the value of 11010, that is 26 and divide it by 2^5 because there are 5 digits after the point: 0.8125 (We could also find this by using 2^-1 2^-2...)

BUT how can we convert 1.11010 into signed decimal?

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Answers

 

by: Infinity08Posted on 2009-01-22 at 08:56:13ID: 23441157

>> BUT how can we convert 1.11010 into signed decimal?

1.11010 == 1.8125 decimal

I'm not sure why you have a problem with signedness. It's just a sign, which is no different in binary or decimal (a negative binary value will still be negative when converted to decimal).

 

by: shadow_shooterPosted on 2009-01-22 at 10:25:08ID: 23442080

Isn't 1.11010 negative? For example when we have 10010 signed, then it is equal to -14 not 16 (which is the sign and magnitude).

 

by: Infinity08Posted on 2009-01-22 at 10:36:53ID: 23442192

You mean you're interpreting the first bit as the sign bit ? Why is that ? Why not simply write the sign out, like :

        - 0.11010

?

Or are you somehow trying to look at how a computer stores such values ?

 

by: shadow_shooterPosted on 2009-01-22 at 10:58:26ID: 23442378

Yeah, in signed 2's complement format, you cannot simply add - at the beginning of a number. You have to identify it by adding 1 at the beginning of the number so you can interpret it as a negative number.

Anyway I've found my answer on a website. You can check it here:

http://www.swarthmore.edu/NatSci/echeeve1/Ref/BinaryMath/NumSys.html

(Check: Signed binary fractions)

 

by: Infinity08Posted on 2009-01-22 at 11:20:54ID: 23442568

In the end it doesn't really matter whether you use a minus sign, or interpret the first bit as a sign bit. The result is exactly the same. It's just a lot clearer to use the minus sign for theoretical exercises. Hence my confusion ;)

 

by: shadow_shooterPosted on 2009-01-22 at 11:28:34ID: 23442646

It's not simply the fisrt bit is sign bit.

1.11010 is NOT equal to -0.11010

it IS equal to -0.00110 (which is the inverse of 1.11010 that is found by applying 1's complement and then adding 1.)

So, -0.00110b(s&m)=-0.1875d=1.11010(signed)

but what you say, -0.11010=-0.8125

 

by: Infinity08Posted on 2009-01-22 at 11:36:26ID: 23442709

>> It's not simply the fisrt bit is sign bit.

On the site you posted, it's indeed not :)

I still think it's artificial though ;) But that doesn't matter, as you found what you needed to know :)

 

by: shadow_shooterPosted on 2009-01-22 at 11:46:16ID: 23442799

yeah, it's special to computers and indeed artificial.

 

by: Infinity08Posted on 2009-01-22 at 11:48:45ID: 23442837

What I meant by artificial is that it doesn't serve any immediate practical purpose. It serves as a theoretical exercise and as a step-up point to the way floating point values are stored.

 

by: shadow_shooterPosted on 2009-01-22 at 12:22:01ID: 23443201

Not really, we can use them in many operations in the area of computer organization. For example Serial Communication Interface (UART), an RS232 transmission, can use signed bits to transfer negative numbers in practice. (We convert the hexadecimal values to binary values while the transfer is in process, this is where we need them).

Moreover any number we use and store in RAM is also stored with their signed conversion, the cost of adding "-" is very much and requires more place than the single sign bit. Thus, we can use them anywhere where we want to save space from memory and make the process faster.

 

by: Infinity08Posted on 2009-01-22 at 12:41:30ID: 23443407

Of course the use of a sign bit is very common. But I was referring to the signed binary fractions representation detailed on the page you linked to. It is not practical, to use that for representing a fraction in a computer. Floating point representation is usually used instead. The range it can represent is more useful, and it has a separate sign bit.

Note that I'm only discussing this because you might find it useful. If that's not the case, then please tell me ;)

 

by: shadow_shooterPosted on 2009-01-22 at 12:52:36ID: 23443526

I'm also enjoying  the discussion. Yes, you're right, floating points are usually used for fractional numbers since they are more effective than usual binary coded fractions. Implementations may vary according to the need of the system that we are going to build. Floating point notation is preferred because it permits longer numbers to be stored in the memory, since the mantissa of the number is encoded by using the offset values.

 

by: Infinity08Posted on 2009-01-22 at 13:05:44ID: 23443644

Precisely :) I agree that in some cases, and on some platforms, signed binary fractions might be useful.

 

by: shadow_shooterPosted on 2009-01-22 at 13:28:11ID: 23443848

Yeah I agree too =) Anyway thanks for the discussion.

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