Question

Conversion of float to double

Asked by: sey7

Hi,

  The result of the following expression is a bug?
(double)((float)1.53) = 1.5299999713897705

If works as designed, please tell me where i find the explanation.


Thx,
  sey.

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2005-08-15 at 07:27:46ID21527310
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Answers

 

by: CEHJPosted on 2005-08-15 at 07:29:07ID: 14674688

Floating point values are approximations. If you want exactitude, use BigDecimal

 

by: CEHJPosted on 2005-08-15 at 07:29:54ID: 14674693

 

by: sey7Posted on 2005-08-15 at 07:38:34ID: 14674765

On the page you sent i found an applet and a table describing the conversions. From float to double is writed:
// to double d from float f
// no conversion necessary in Java 1.5+


double number 1.53 exists.

So, why conversion brings a result with many decimals?

 

by: mariusoPosted on 2005-08-15 at 07:40:27ID: 14674786

One solution could be to use String as an intermediate type but is slow. Any other solution ?

 

by: CEHJPosted on 2005-08-15 at 07:42:41ID: 14674807

>>So, why conversion brings a result with many decimals?

I've already explained that. See link above

>>Any other solution ?

Already given one

 

by: mariusoPosted on 2005-08-15 at 07:43:19ID: 14674814

Explanation is:
1.53 is a double
you convert it to float
then back to double.

IMHO

 

by: CEHJPosted on 2005-08-15 at 07:43:42ID: 14674818

double d = new BigDecimal("1.53").doubleValue();

 

by: mariusoPosted on 2005-08-15 at 08:02:44ID: 14674983

As I understood, sey7 has the value 1.53 as float  (NOT AS STRING)

He want to get a double representing the same value 1.53

The only solution for that is :
      float val = 1.53f;
      double doubleVal = Double.parseDouble("" + val);
      System.out.println(doubleVal);

but as I said it's slow

 

by: CEHJPosted on 2005-08-15 at 08:09:43ID: 14675062

     float f = 1.53f;
      java.math.BigDecimal bi = java.math.BigDecimal.valueOf(f);
      bi = bi.setScale(2, java.math.BigDecimal.ROUND_HALF_UP);
      double d = bi.doubleValue();
      System.out.println(d);

 

by: mariusoPosted on 2005-08-15 at 08:13:58ID: 14675099

Wrong:
      float val = 1.534f;
      double doubleVal = Double.parseDouble("" + val);
      System.out.println("marius :" + doubleVal);


      java.math.BigDecimal bi = new java.math.BigDecimal(val);
      bi = bi.setScale(2, java.math.BigDecimal.ROUND_HALF_UP);
      double d = bi.doubleValue();
      System.out.println("CEH :" + d);

 

by: mariusoPosted on 2005-08-15 at 08:14:38ID: 14675103

result:
marius :1.534
CEH :1.53

 

by: CEHJPosted on 2005-08-15 at 08:28:25ID: 14675215

Not quite sure what your point is there mariuso ...

 

by: mariusoPosted on 2005-08-15 at 08:31:34ID: 14675241

I mean your example with BigDecimal only works for 1.53 (for 2 decimals)

Solution with string also works for other numbers (e.g. 1.534)

 

by: CEHJPosted on 2005-08-15 at 08:34:07ID: 14675263

>> I mean your example with BigDecimal only works for 1.53 (for 2 decimals)

? It'll work for any decimal:

float val = 1.534f;
...

bi = bi.setScale(3, java.math.BigDecimal.ROUND_HALF_UP);

 

by: mariusoPosted on 2005-08-15 at 08:36:47ID: 14675286

Joking? I hope so.

These are only examples (1.53, 1.534)

String solution works for any number without any source code modification.

So:
1. how do i find out number of decimals
2. why do you ROUND_HALF_UP ? This is a particular case


 

by: CEHJPosted on 2005-08-15 at 08:44:41ID: 14675356

Well the String solution is not really different from what i posted earlier:

>> double d = new BigDecimal("1.53").doubleValue();

except it'd be

 double d = new BigDecimal("" + f).doubleValue();

 

by: mariusoPosted on 2005-08-15 at 08:57:27ID: 14675450

Yes. This works too.

 

by: sciuriwarePosted on 2005-08-15 at 23:14:35ID: 14680534

Whatever you do, you are always looking at - and verifying with String representations
of data that can not be expressed exactly.
So, before making up conclusions, realise what deviations are introduced
by formats, field capabilities, expression conversions, and finally the way a number is converted
into what you want to look at.

My professor told me long ago: "you can't really do math with a computer:
                                               you are just jumping from bit pattern to bit pattern in a limited collection".

;JOOP!

 

by: dbkrugerPosted on 2005-08-16 at 21:33:27ID: 14689060

None of the comments answered the question, which is about roundoff and why it happens, not on how to use BigDecimal when there is absolutely no reason to do so.

double precision takes 64 bits. It holds approximately 15 digits accuracy. It is encoded in binary, so numbers that are powers of 2 are exact:

.5
.25
.125

Numbers that are "not nice" fractions in decimal that we are used to have roundoff error in decimal. If you only remember 6 digits:

1/3 = .333333

which has an error, because there should be an infinite repeating string of 33333333....
In the same way, numbers that humans think of as nice, like 1/10 are repeating fractions in binary, which is how float and double are stored.

The original code given has a double precision constant:

double x = 1.53;

This is not actually exactly 1.53, as that number cannot be exactly represented in binary, but leave that for a moment. If you printed it, it would appear correct:

System.out.println(x);

Then, you cast to float, which I will split into a separate line:

float y = (float) x;

This truncates the answer to 32 bits, which only has 7-8 digits accuracy. Since the number is not exactly 1.53, now it is less accurate, having been chopped short. Then you copy it back as a double:

double x = y;

printing it out yields the wrong value.

There are a few lessons to be learned:

1. Don't use float unless you really know what you are doing.
2. Don't use float for financial calculations, there aren't enough digits precision: 123,456.78 (the 8 might be a 7 or a 9)
3. Don't cast intermediate results to float


Try this:

double x = 0;
for (int i = 0; i < 100; i++, x += 0.1) {
  System.out.println(x);
}

After 30 or 40 iterations, suddenly there is enough cumulative roundoff that you start seeing a lot of digits.
You can stop the display by rounding to the nearest value you believe. Since we're adding .01, we know there shouldn't be any digits smaller than that:

double x = 0;
for (int i = 0; i < 100; i++, x += 0.1) {
  System.out.println(Math.round(x*100)/100);
}


Lesson:

4. Even double precision value are slowly poisoned by roundoff. double is more suitable to scientific use than business.

Integers in double are exact, so if you want to represent dollars in a double, multiply by 100, compute integer numbers of pennies, and only divide by 100 when printing.

 

by: CEHJPosted on 2005-08-17 at 00:44:06ID: 14689567

>>
None of the comments answered the question, which is about roundoff and why it happens, not on how to use BigDecimal when there is absolutely no reason to do so.
>>

Then you haven't read the comments and links properly. The only way to get full control over rounding/precision issues is to use BigDecimal

 

by: CEHJPosted on 2005-09-05 at 02:58:03ID: 14822521

:-)

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