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Delphi 2009 / IntraWeb 10 deployment options ? ... confusion reigns !

Asked by: RetroRocker

I'm struggling with my options for deployment of IntraWeb (version 10.0.0) web applications developed in Delphi 2009.
In D2009 you only get 3 options for the type of IntraWeb application ...
1. Standalone application
2. Service application
3. ISAPI extension

I use a hosted, Apache on Linux server and require extensive use of its PHP / MYSQL installations for many other things I do.
I would like to run an IntraWeb application on this server too. Kylix is dead ... so where can I go with this ?
1. and 2 . above, I guess, are non starters ... can't run Win32 executables on Linux :)
Forgive any any obvious ignorance but I am under the impression that ISAPI is a 'function' of IIS and not Apache ... so does that rule out 3. above ? aarrrgh !
Therefore is an IIS on (an MS server OS) an absolute MUST have ? ... in which case, with a hosted package like mine, I almost definitely lose PHP / MYSQL :(
Am I under some misapprehension here ? ... please could anyone clarify ?

thanks RR

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by: irishbuddhaPosted on 2009-09-29 at 07:48:06ID: 25449625

While I don't have a lot of direct experience in the exact issue, I've read plenty on intraweb and hit my own deployment and configuration issues that have sent me reading up on a lot of the same topis...here's some information that should help you get started:

Kylix is dead. No argument there. From what I've read via the newsgroups and several blogs though, one option is probably Lazarus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazarus_%28software%29). Cross Platform Delphi-esque IDE.

Standalone and Service deployment for win32 are non-starters as you note, but several Intraweb posters in the newsgroups and various blogs have noted success with WINE, no clue on the details of the deployment or configuration, but, it might be a possible solution for you. This may be a non-starter with your host though...

As far as ISAPI goes, it is a function of IIS as you noted. Fortunately, IIS is not the only ISAPI functionality player in town. A quick search shows for Apache ISAPI brings up the Apache Module mod_isapi, though it looks windows only on a quick scan. You might check out Zeus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeus_Web_Server), though being a hosted environment this may not be available.

As for losing PHP/MYSQL, both are now compatible with windows, and if you have to lose Apache, you are now back to haveing #2 and #3 as options (#1 personally is more testing oriented than anything, but that's me). There are some small differences in the php side depending on your code and delimiters, possibly some functionality, but the majority of the libraries should be dead on (http://windows.php.net/). If that will work though, this might be the best option for you in continuing with Intraweb. You lose Linux, but, the rest of your tools are still there with minimal differences and you can forge ahead without being trapped in a corner.

Again, parts of this are purely reading knowledge, but hopefully this will get you pointed in the right direction.

 

by: irishbuddhaPosted on 2009-09-29 at 07:53:18ID: 25449697

Just to clarify: plenty of Intraweb, experience, just not with regards to the Linux side of Intraweb life. I've had no issues with php or mysql on windows either, much as I might prefer them in a Linux flavor, not all of my clients do and so we've adapted to those as needed.

Breaking just the intraweb piece out to it's own server might also be an option for you to consider, leaving the php and mysql in place and changing the connecting pieces that tie in Intraweb from a windows server.

 

by: RetroRockerPosted on 2009-09-30 at 04:29:19ID: 25457364

Irishbuddha : many thanks, that's quite a detailed and informative appraisal of the situation. I appreciate your honesty in stating that you've not absolutely been there but I think it probably makes little difference to the end result.
Essentially I was after clarification of what I thought I couldn't do ... if you see what I mean :) and to ensure that I wasn't thinking along the wrong lines and maybe missing a trick somewhere ... so as far as I'm concerned I'm likely to travel along the Windows / IIS root.
I'm new to IntraWeb and look forward to working with it. I have already explored many links and references to IntraWeb but if you know of anything in the reference line that shines, then I'd love to hear about it thanks.

cheers RR

 

by: irishbuddhaPosted on 2009-09-30 at 08:05:44ID: 25459692

Beyond google, and working on some general web design knowledge (javascript comes in handy too):

eBook - Delphi 2007 VCL for the Web / IntraWeb Development
Dr. Bob's PDF which is really the only reference available for Intraweb due to their lacking documentation on some of the fundamentals
Highly recommended if you are going to do more than play with Intraweb, not cheap, but as noted, the only and therefore best reference available for everything from properties to several general usage insights and explanations.
http://www.ebob42.com/courseware/
Click on Courseware List at the top, then select Delphi 2007 VCL for the Web / IntraWeb Development
*Small Preview and ToC available from Lulu too.

Intraweb Spellbook - Decent resource for a few topics
http://research.pdmagic.com/iw/html/

Other than that, the demos can be somewhat useful for basics, and the private newsgroups that are available with an Intraweb subscription connect you to other users.
For 3rd party components, TMS Software has several packages available (basic controls, charts/graphs, planners, etc)
We already had several of their component packages, made sense for us to try out the Intraweb stuff too and they are good on the support if you run into any issues. Just be prepared to replicate in a sample project if the bug isn't obvious, not always a simple task in large projects or 'random' bugs.

To date, haven't had much success finding any training/classes that seemed worthwhile. The couple we did find never responded back to inquiries, so not much insight there.


 

by: RetroRockerPosted on 2009-09-30 at 10:09:08ID: 25460961

Thanks very much, it's genuinely appreciated. It's nice to get a vote for Bob Swart's PDF, I must admit to baulking initially at the price of this and having no great idea as to how good it might be ... as an individual I tend to look very carefully before I spend any money :) ... especially these days.

cheers RR

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