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maximum size of dynamic arrays in delphi

Asked by: Stelios_Antoniou

I have a numerical processing application in Delphi 2006. The temporary variables that are needed are stored in a dynamic array of real-type, the size of which is determined after the input model is processed. Lately, I came across an extremely large model that required a size of that array of about 93,709,731 (93million!) This means 6*93,709,731b=536Mb.
When I ran the application it caused an out-of-memory message, when the application got to the line where the size of the array was determined, i.e.
SetLength(Array,size);
Which is the maximum size of a dynamic array in Delphi 2006? Is it dependent on the stack size? (my max stack size if $00800000)

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2009-01-22 at 05:43:34ID24073885
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Answers

 

by: MerijnBPosted on 2009-01-22 at 05:46:59ID: 23439209

You should step into the call to SetLength() to find out what place it is exactly. This might give you more information on this.

 

by: JaymolPosted on 2009-01-22 at 07:49:47ID: 23440363

I don't know the way it is worked out (so can't be much help really), but it is to do with actual and virtual memory.  Your paging file comes into this (probably more than physical memory).

Make sure your paging file is at least twice the size of the array you want to create.

 

by: Stelios_AntoniouPosted on 2009-01-23 at 04:47:54ID: 23448414

What is the paging file?

Anyway, to easily describe the issue I am attaching the code for a sample project. I has one form Form1 with a button Button1 and a textbox Edit1. If one sets the size of the array to 100,000,000 the program runs fine with an increase in the memory consumption of 600,000,000bytes=600MB
If one sets the size to 200,000,000 an Out-of-memory message is output and if one sets it to1,000,000,000 a range-check error is created. What can I do to increase such limits?
Note that increasing the maximum stack size did not affect the above described behaviour.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
               C O D E
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

unit Unit1;

interface

uses
  Windows, Messages, SysUtils, Variants, Classes, Graphics, Controls, Forms,
  Dialogs, StdCtrls;

type
  TForm1 = class(TForm)
    Button1: TButton;
    Edit1: TEdit;
    procedure Button1Click(Sender: TObject);
    function StringToInt ( str : string) : integer;
  private
   //
  public
    TmpArray: array of real;
  end;

var
  Form1: TForm1;

implementation

{$R *.dfm}

procedure TForm1.Button1Click(Sender: TObject);
var
  size: integer;
begin
    size:= StringToInt(Edit1.Text);
    SetLength(TmpArray,size);

end;

function TForm1.StringToInt ( str : string) : integer;
var
    Code,i : integer;
begin
    Val(str, i, Code);
    if Code <> 0 then i := 0;
    StringToInt := i;
end;
end.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
               E N D   C O D E
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

by: ThievingSixPosted on 2009-01-23 at 06:59:07ID: 23449448

First off use the StrToInt() and StrToInt64() functions. Second, switch "Size: Integer" to "Size: Int64". Second do you have sufficient ram to handle 200,000,000(1.5gb of memory)?

 

by: rllibbyPosted on 2009-01-23 at 08:00:08ID: 23450063

It does not matter how much ram you have, as you are both missing one crucial point.

The address space of a 32bit process is limited to 4GB of addressable memory. 2GB for the application, 2GB for the system. That means that you are limited to (at most) 2GB, and trying to define anything larger than 2GB will throw a range check. For example, because real is 6 bytes, but the array is not packed, it will actually allocate 8 bytes per element, giving you a max definable size of 268,435,455. Anything larger will throw a range check as it >= 2GB limit.

As to the out of memory error, that is going to happen before you even get close to the 2GB limit; normally you will see it at or around 1.4-1.5 GB allocation. You will probably find that you can hit an array of 180,000,000, but not 190,000,000. Also keep in mind that if the array is already allocated, then setting a new length forces a reallocation, and in many cases the reallocation cannot be done in place, requiring CurrentSize + NewSize to be available in order for the allocation to succeed. To handle this, you should be using SetLength with a size of zero to release the memory before allocating a different size (assuming that you are discarding what is currently in the array).

But really, if you have to process this much data then you should probably consider working with temporary files and process the data in chuncks. An example of this technique (albeit in C) can be found here:

http://www.geocities.com/krishnapg/TerabyteArrays.html

Regards,
Russell


 

by: Stelios_AntoniouPosted on 2009-01-24 at 03:18:39ID: 23455943

Many thanks for the responses.

Note that in my particular case, it is not possible to allocate memory to temporary files. The program is roughly speaking a simulation of structures in earthquake. With a typical  time step of 0.01sec and average duration of an earthquake of 20sec and 5-10iterations per step to achieve solution (it is an iterative process) the data are accessed 100*20*5=10,000 times per run. Saving and retrieving data from temporary files is simply too slow, considering that an average run of a case like that would take up to 10h.

Anyway, all is very clear now, I just have a couple of clarifying questions more::
1) What is the reason for the difference in the messages, i.e for 200,000,000 elements it is an out-of-memory and for 1,000,000,000 elements it is a out-of-range error?
2) Is there a way of knowing in advance that a SetLength(TmpArray,size); command will lead in an out-of-memory error? For instance, a procedure call that calculates the amount of memory that is available? I need this so that to output a user-friendly message to users (suggesting possible measures to reduce memory consumption),  instead of a simple out-of-memory message? Note that the limits of the application with typical modelling are approximately for a 100-storey building (way too much). The out-of-memory message that we got was due to ridiculous modelling requirements by the user (hence I am looking for a way of guiding such' stupid' users).

 

by: rllibbyPosted on 2009-01-24 at 09:06:51ID: 23457136


I wasn't indicating that you *should* page the data, just that if you had to work with data in size that was near / above 2GB, then you would have no other choice.

1. A range check exception indicates that the specified data value is out of range. In this case its due to the fact that the size passed is > 2GB. (this type of checking can be turned off in the project options). Its basically the runtime equivalent of trying to define something like:

    TmpArray: Array [0..270000000] of real;

which wont compile because it will raise an error indicating that the data type exceeds 2GB. The Out of memory error is thrown due to the fact that the size value is < 2GB, but the system is not able to allocate the desired size memory block for you.

2. In a word, no. There are a number of checks that can be done to help ensure that
the user has enough physical memory to support the model without going to disk (not guaranteed that it wont though, as the OS controls this), eg by checking GetHeapStatus or using the GlobalMemoryStatus api and using the values to determine total avail/free, physical, etc memory information. But knowing how much free memory there is does not guarantee the allocation will succeed. Keep in mind that the allocation requires a single, contiguous block of memory to fulfill the request.

If it were me, I would try to ensure that the max allowed model size was:
(a) kept < 80% of the total physical memory size. For example, on a 1GB system, you would not want to allocate a 1.5GB model, because it WOULD be paged in / out of the swapfile, killing performance.
(b) Was kept < 2GB * 0.8 (80%) size in total.
(c) Is never more than the total virtual size available to your program

As well, you should clear the array (SetLength of zero) before setting up a new model, to ensure that you are allocating memory, and not reallocating (reallocation is expensive, and can require both OldSize + NewSize to fulfill the request). And finally, be prepared to handle the EOutOfMemory exception in your program. This can be done using a try / except routine, and will allow you to display helpful information to your user should you not be able to load the model, eg:

procedure HandleOutOfMemory;
begin
  // Do whatever
  MessageBox(0, 'Out of memory', 'Exception', MB_OK or MB_ICONERROR);
end;

  try
     SetLength(TmpArray, Size);
  except
     on EOutOfMemory do HandleOutOfMemory;
     // Add other specific handlers if desired
     on E: Exception do MessageBox(0, PChar(E.Message), nil, MB_OK or MB_ICONERROR);
  end;



 

by: Stelios_AntoniouPosted on 2009-01-24 at 09:11:18ID: 31537655

Thank you very much rllibby. You've been extremely accurate and helpful!

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