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Why is Microsoft so stupid?

Asked by: robinz

My site uses one javascript function which causes two things to happen:  
1) an image is animated
2) a link is displayed in a different frame

The problem is with #1.  It works with Netscape, and I think it's ok with IE4.  But with IE3.x it gives me the following error:

In frame: right
[Line: 4] 'images' is not an object

My code is called from frame "right", so that makes sense. Here is the code:

function animate()      {      document.images[1].src='images/alever.gif'; parent.frames[1].location.href='http://www.irz.com/robin/bandnameprogram/bandname.pl'      }

If I take out the first half of the function, the link displays just fine in the correct frame.  I don't know, is "document.images[x]" not a valid statement in IE?  OH YES, I think that it causes problems in some AOL browsers too.

Please help, cause the site is getting a lot of hits, and hence a lot of complaints.  Check it out:
http://www.irz.com/robin/bandnameprogram

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Answers

 

by: bernfarrPosted on 1998-09-03 at 15:45:39ID: 1270285

You real question (Why MS is so stupid) is a good one. Why are both companies not working on standardizing handling of HTML and JavaScript, etc., is the real question.

Anyway, images was not supported in IE3 (apparently it did work on the IE3 implementation on the Mac, according to the JavaScript Bible). It is supported with IE4/JavaScript 1.2.

 

by: PolemicPosted on 1998-09-03 at 19:34:01ID: 1270286

Bernfarr is right, the image object was not supported in IE 3 but will work fine in IE 4 and on Netscape.  Aside from tearing out your hair there's nothing you can do for IE 3 users.  But if you want to give users other than those with IE3 the full benefit of your script, you can do so by simply trapping non-compatible browsers (IE 3 and AOL for sure, plus a few others) as they enter the page and redirecting them to a simpler page - perhaps one where the image remains static but the link changes.

Use this script, with appropriate alterations to point to the correct page titles.  You can of course use the same page for two or more browsers.  The default page is for non-MSIE or Netscape *Javascript-enabled* browsers.  Of course browsers which can't read Javascript at all will simply stay on the first page, which should have either a text-only version or a link to a page with a text-only version.

You can vary the transfer time - I've set it at 2 seconds, which should be long enough for the script to download and activate, but not so long as to unduly annoy your visitors:

<Script>
<!-- Hide from older browsers

var nav2 = "navigator2.htm";
var nav3 = "navigator3.htm";
var nav4 = "navigator4.htm";
var ie3 = "ie3.htm";
var ie4 = "ie4.htm";
var default_page = "default.htm";

var transfer = true;

var pause_time = 2;

function loadPage() {
 if (navigator.appName=="Netscape") {                                                            
  if (vers >= 4)
   location.replace(nav4);
  else if (vers >= 3)
   location.replace(nav3);                                                              
  else if (vers >= 2)
   location.href=nav2;
 } else if (navigator.appName == "Microsoft Internet Explorer") {
  if (vers >= 4)
   location.replace(ie4);
  else if (vers >= 3)
   location.href=ie3;                                                          
 } else {
  location.href=default_page;
 }
}
 
// End hiding -->
</Script>
</HEAD>

<BODY BGCOLOR="#FFFFFF">
                                                                 
<! --- Put some content in here if you wish - at least the text link mentioned above ---->

<SCRIPT LANGUAGE="JavaScript">
<!--  Begin Hiding

vers = navigator.appVersion;
vers = parseFloat(vers.substring(vers.lastIndexOf(".")-1,vers.length));
browser=navigator.appName + " " + vers;

if (transfer) {
 document.write("<CENTER>You will be automatically transported to the page best "
  + "suited to your browser in "+pause_time+" seconds<BR><BR></CENTER>");
 setTimeout("loadPage()",pause_time*1000);
}

// End Hiding -->
</SCRIPT>

</BODY>

 

by: myerPosted on 1998-09-03 at 20:17:32ID: 1270287

It isn't necessary to redirect the browser, if you can live with your mouseout images as the only ones MSIE 3 users will see.  Redirect means you have to maintain multiple versions of your site, which is a big hassle.  

Simply surround your code with a test for the images object and that will prevent the JScript interpreter from trying to run a script it cannot execute.

function mouseOver() {
    if (document.images) {
        // do your rollover code here
    }
}

Also, certain versions of MSIE 3 did actually support the images object, but you could only refer to them by their images array index, like you are already doing:
document.images[2].src

This, I believe, is on MSIE 3.02 for MAC and MSIE 3.03 for Win95.  It really depends on the version of the JScript.DLL.  Using my suggestion, those MSIE users will get to see your mouseover because their version does indeed support the images object.

Hope this helps.

 

by: PolemicPosted on 1998-09-03 at 20:56:47ID: 1270288

You don't have to maintain multiple versions of your site - just two versions of whichever *page(s)* the code in question is on.  One version for MSIE 4 and up & Netscape 3 and up, another for all other browsers.  The former page has your code as intended, the latter a simplified version.  The percentage of MSIE 3 users is small (on my site, 11% of all visitors, AOL3 3%, Netscape 2 just 1%) so altogether about 15% of your visitors would miss the rollover effect, and that number is diminishing every day as people upgrade their browser.  The advantage of trapping these users out at the beginning is that you can be certain that the page they're taken to will not adversely affect their browser, because you've designed it especially for them.

 

by: jbirkPosted on 1998-09-03 at 22:52:17ID: 1270289

I have to agree with myer 100% on this topic.  Using:
if (document.images)
will guarentee that only browsers which support the image object will see the effect, and the ones which DO support it will see the effect, and as myer said some IE 3 versions do actually support mouseovers so they wouldn't get jipped.  Also, the user doesn't have to wait that extra two seconds as the page forwards to another page, AND maintaining two pages even if it's just the one page duplicated is still a pain in the neck.  Definitely the best solution here is to just check if document.images is supported.

Now, if you are doing a lot of coding with 4+ browser only code like layers, etc. then the redirect page is almost necesary, but for just rollovers, it's way overkill.

-Josh

 

by: TrevorPosted on 1998-09-04 at 06:18:57ID: 1270290

I have to agree with the object detection method.

Object detection is much quicker, easier to manage and requires fewer line sof code than redirecting.

Don't forget though that it is not only your functions for rollovers that need to be surrounded with the object detection.  You will also need to surround your image preloading statements as well.

if (document.images) {

. preload images ...

}

Trevor.

 

by: robinzPosted on 1998-09-04 at 10:20:30ID: 1270291

Thanks for all the suggestions.  I was actually in the process of writing a second page for non-comliant browsers.  But the comments added by Myer seem to make more sense.  I think it is more efficient to detect the actual object in question, rather than the browser (which may or may not work, depending on the version).  It's not actually a rollover effect though, it's a lever that animates itself when you click (pull) it.  Did any of you actually look at the page?  You should because it kicks.
http://www.irz.com/robin/bandnameprogram

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