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Cannot open additional ports on Windows 2003 Enterprise Server

Asked by: jquartic1

Hi - I am trying to open ports on a Window 2003 Enterpise Server. The server is a member of a Windows Server 2008 domain. The Enterprise server is being used solely for an SIS application (PowerSchool). I have a NetGear ProSafe FVS336G Firewall that I have configured to allow 4 external IP's to access a number of different ports on the Enterprise server (which I will refer to as the PS server). There is no firewall active on the PS server or the DC. I removed my AV software on the PS server. There are some ports currently open on the PS server, but I have not been able to open any additional ports.

I suspect that this may have somthing to do with the Group Policy that the PS server is inheriting from the DC. I first tried setting up a local Group Policy on the PS server, speciifically opening the ports I needed. However, when I do a gpresult cmd on this server, it shows that it is inheriting its group policy from the DC. I then setup a new OU under Group Policy Manager on the 2008 DC. I put the PS server in the OU. I then applied 'Block Inheritance' for the OU.

I've rebooted both servers, done gpupate /force on both servers, and I still see that the PS server is inheriting its GP from the DC.

I'm not an expert in the area of Group Policy or Port settings, so I'm at my wits end with this. I am under the gun to get this issue resolved so we can move forward with deployment of the SIS. I'm not really sure if this is a Group Policy issue or a port issue or a combination of both. Any assistance will be greatly appreciated. The Solution that I'm looking for should result in the 4 outside IP addresses that I have allowed through my firewall being able to access the applications on the ports I have open on my PS server. Thanks very much.

John

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2009-08-13 at 15:15:26ID24651392
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by: aerapsPosted on 2009-08-13 at 15:57:34ID: 25093898

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=8355e537-1ea6-4569-aabb-f248f4bd91d0&displaylang=en

The above tool will verify which ports are opened and listening ; its a gui based utility

the link below is of a website that will check for you which ports are open for the public via the internet
http://www.canyouseeme.org/

you can first check the website to make sure that the ports are opened properly on your router and then head back to your machine

If the ports are seen from the outside world fine, then try connecting anyother (domain unjoined pc) and see if those ports are accessible ; you can configure IIS and change ports on it to make sure the desired port numbers are seen ; if that domain unjoined machine is working/acting fine then its to do with some kind of configuration / access rule on your domain.

What kind of group policies are activated on your domain ? You can disable some or all of them for a while to make sure as well.

hope this helps

 

by: jquartic1Posted on 2009-08-13 at 17:55:28ID: 25094517

Hi Aeraps,

Thanks for your response. I used the GUI version of Nmap (ZenMap) to verify which ports were open and listening on the server in question. I'll give PortQryUI a try and see how it compares. I'm not in the office currently, but when I am, I'll check out canyouseeme.org to verify that I correctly opened the ports on the firewall appliance. It seems that it can only check to see if the ports are open from your current IP address, not an IP which you can specify. If I am mistaken about this, please inform me. I'm also wondering if those ports will show open anyway as I specified that they be available only from 4 specific external IP addresses.

The Domain controller pretty much is using the default Group Policy configuration. The server in question is a plain vanilla installation of 2003 Enterprise Server. Thanks again.

 

by: oks1977Posted on 2009-08-16 at 20:55:04ID: 25111550

Can you check what ports is used by powerschool and whether the ports are actually activated and is now listening. You can try these commands.

netstat -an | find " the number of powerschool ports"
eg netstat -an| find "80"

And if it is listening, try to telnet the port from the server itself and from the desktop/laptop that it is locating to. Commands used can be
telnet XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX port
Eg telnet  192.168.23.21 80

And if you can connect, it means that the application is of no issue. And if you are not able to connect to it after connecting with the firewall (FW), you might wantr to check FW rules.

 

by: jquartic1Posted on 2009-08-17 at 11:34:54ID: 25116982

Aeraps...
I tried PortQryUI. It's a nice easy GUI. I show 3 of the ports for PowerSchool listening with PortQry: 80, 407, and 7880. I also tried canyouseeme.org from my office to verify that the ports I need open on my firewall are open, and all inquiries came back Error: I could not see your service on 192.xxx.xxx.xxx on port (xxx)
Reason: Connection timed out. As I said, I only opened these ports on the firewall to 4 specific incoming IP's, so I'm not sure if canyouseeme.org can show these as open even if they were.

oks1977...
Thanks for chiming in on this. I tried using the netstat command as you suggested, and I get the same results as indicated above. However, I show only Port 80 listening on my IP (192.xxx.xxx.xxx). I show the other 2 ports listening on IP 0.0.0.0. I can also get a Telnet connection to the 3 ports both locally from the server and from another machine on the network (not sure what you meant by desktop/laptop that it is locating to).
As for the firewall rules, they are entered via a GUI and the configuration settings are pretty straight forward (which doesn't mean I couldn't have made a mistake). The settings I configured are as follows:
Service Name: SSH:TCP
Filter: Allow Always
WAN Users: 168.xxx.xxx.xxx (the remote IP looking to access our network)
Destination: WAN 1 (which represents our external IP)
Bandwidth Profile: NONE

The following is a lnk on NetGears site that will take you to a sample management console for the appliance:
http://tools.netgear.com/landing/gui/security/fvs336g/simulators/v_2.2.0_59.9/router_status.htm
Thanks for your help so far.




 

by: oks1977Posted on 2009-08-17 at 19:17:33ID: 25119750

Hi, I'm looking @ your question again...

You are trying to open up ports for SIS application (PowerSchool) on your Windows 2003 Ent Server. Why do you need to do so?
Are you able to connect to SIS application (PowerSchool) from another machine inside your network?

 

by: jquartic1Posted on 2009-08-17 at 19:47:30ID: 25119840

Hi oks1977,

The company (Pearson) requires access to the server for remote support, configuration and update purposes. Also, I'm having a problem accessing the PowerSchool application from other machines within my network, which is one of the reasons they currently need access.

Thanks.

 

by: oks1977Posted on 2009-08-17 at 20:32:57ID: 25119975

Hi jquartic1,

Thanks for the information.  So they require access to PowerSchool application, but through which application? Is it terminal service, citrix, etc? When you enabled or install such applications, the port will be opened.

From within your network, is it everybody having issue or a cluster of them? You may want to look @ their subnets and whether they have any FW protected, etc.

 

by: jquartic1Posted on 2009-08-17 at 21:03:26ID: 25120067

Hi oks1977,

You seem to be asking exactly the right questions. They gain access through Timbuktu Pro. Timbuktu Pro is installed and configured on the server. One of the ports for Timbuktu does show open and listening, but it is one of the 3 ports I mentioned previously that shows as associated with IP 0.0.0.0 when I do netstat and not my actual server IP 192.xxx.xxx.xxx. Here is a breakdown of the ports that have to be open and the associated services:

HTTP - incoming and outgoing access
 PowerSchool: TCP 80
 PowerGrade: TCP 5071
 PowerTeacher: TCP 7880

Timbuktu - incoming and outgoing access
 TCP: 407, 1417 - 1420 (total of 5 ports)
 UDP: 407, 1417 - 1420 (total of 5 ports)

Thanks again.

 

by: oks1977Posted on 2009-08-17 at 23:07:53ID: 25120440

Hi jquartic1,

When netstat result shows 0.0.0.0., it means that it is listening on all ports. Looking at your last post according to you, port 80, 407, and 7880 are open. So does it mean U are still having issue?

 

by: jquartic1Posted on 2009-08-17 at 23:25:03ID: 25120518

3 of the 13 total ports I need are open. Only 1 of the 10 Timbuktu ports is open (see my previous eMail for ports I need open). Referring to one of your previous answers, I believe you said the application will open the port on the server. If the application is installed, and the ports did not open, could that be because of Group Policy settings or some other security settings on the server? Could antivirus software prevent the ports from opening? I did have av software installed on the server when I installed Timbuktu. I subsequently remove the av software.

 

by: oks1977Posted on 2009-08-17 at 23:33:03ID: 25120545

I do not think that Group Policy will block that. I believe that it was due to the certain service of the application did not start. As thus the application did not start and ports did not open.

It is like windows 2003. IIS is there but you will need to install and start it so that you are able to use it. For the ports 1417 -1420 (TCP & UDP), this should be resolve when the services are started.

You may want to check on KB or check with their support for Timbuktu Pro or PowerSchool application.

 

by: aerapsPosted on 2009-08-18 at 01:23:23ID: 25120964

Put the server in DMZ mode on your netgear and ask your remote support people to try to access and it should be ok ;

as oks1977 have mentioned that 0.0.0.0 means listening on all ip address

you may want to check your iis bindings and port numbers you have configured for them.

 

by: jquartic1Posted on 2009-08-18 at 14:35:17ID: 25127912

OK... here's where I am now. I configured a rule on my firewall to allow ANY inbound IP (as opposed to the specific inbound IP's) to access Port 407 on my server. I used the canyouseeme.org and another external port scanner site, and the port still cannot be seen. That tells me that something else is stopping those ports from being seen... correct?

I have a Cisco 1600 series router on the network here also. It is not currently serving any purpose that I can see on our network, and I was going to retire it when I brought on the new firewall appliance. As I understand it, I should be able to just run with the Netgear ProSafe firewall. My broadband connections come directly into the firewall. The router is connected to the switch and sits on the network. When I originally disconnected the router, I lost outside connectivity (and I'm not sure why). In any case, is it possible that something in the router config is not allowing the ports to be seen from the outside, even though the firewall is configured to open the ports? My guess is that I should post the configuration of the router here as additional information.

Also, from what I understand about Timbuktu, there should be 5 services running... one on port 407, and the other 4 on ports 1417-1420. When I check Services on the server, I only see 1 Timbuktu service (Tb2 Launch) running. Based on this, I think I'm going to reinstall Timbuktu on the server and see if that resolves the issue of ports 1417-1420 not being open on the server.

Please let me know what you think about this. Thanks.

 

by: oks1977Posted on 2009-08-18 at 19:16:41ID: 25129207

Yes, if you have correctly enabled ANY inbound IP address, have tested from internal network (no FW involved) and is able to connect to the port. Then it could be something else still blocking (could be the FW or others).

before you do any Reinstall of Timbuktu, maybe you should check with their support. After you have install the software on your hand. All services and ports ( 407, and the other 4 on ports 1417-1420) should be open. Maybe they need some logs.

For troubleshooting, it should be from the server -> Network -> FW -> Internet.

This is what I think.

 

by: jquartic1Posted on 2009-08-20 at 12:19:06ID: 25146069

Hi all,

As a new member, I think that I need to close out this question and reframe it another way that is more focused. I would like to award some points to one of the contributors who helped point me in the right direction, but I do not want to accept a solution and have this go into the knowlegebase as the issue really hasn't been resolved.

I searched around for a way to do this, but it wasn't really clear to me how I should proceed. If anyone can give some advice on this, I'd appreciate it.

Thanks.

 

by: jquartic1Posted on 2009-08-28 at 22:08:58ID: 25213024

The situation is resolved. In the end, it was an issue with the configuration of the Netgear ProSafe FVS336G Firewall rules. As I mentioned earlier in the question the FVS336G firewall rules are entered via a GUI and the configuration settings are pretty straight forward (apparently not straight forward enough for me). The settings I originally configured are as follows:
Service Name: SSH:TCP
Filter: Allow Always
WAN Users: 168.xxx.xxx.xxx (the remote IP looking to access our network)
Destination: WAN 1 (which represents our external IP)
Bandwidth Profile: NONE
The way the TCP and UDP ports were ultimately opened was by selecting the default entry Service Name: ANY (not the specific TCP/UDP Service name). There are lots of flavors of TCP and UDP in the services list. Apparently SSH:TCP and SSH:UDP did not work for me. When the Service Name setting selection was changed to ANY, all ports I configured on the Firewall became open. My question may have been better asked as a question more focused on the Netgear ProSafe router.
Thanks to all who nudged me along in the right direction.

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