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Force Network Switch to Update ARP Cache from WAN Side of PIX/ASA

Asked by: fredzo1966

I am moving public, routable IP addresses from Linux boxes to a Cisco ASA 5505 firewall as part of moving client web sites to new servers behind the firewall and on a local network with non-routable addresses (i.e. WAN-to-LAN NAT on the firewall).  I'm sure that I'm running into a problem with our network switch on the public side, because when I drop the interface on the Linux box and add the address to the WAN side of the firewall, I get no response for up to hours at a time.  It eventually clears up, but I have a whole Class C of addresses to change, and I need faster cut-over time.  I know that if this were all on the same subnet as the new server, I could broadcast the ARP information using "arping" to get the switch to clear, but the problem is that the new server is behind the firewall on a local address.  

What I need is for the firewall itself to broadcast the ARP information on the WAN side, and not just for its base IP address, but specifically for the WAN IP address I've just added to it.  Is this possible?  I can't find any documentation other than viewing and clearing or setting the timeout of the ARP cache on the firewall itself.  If I can't get the firewall to broadcast newer MAC information to the switch, does anyone know of a creative alternative to get the switch to pick up the address faster?  (Obviously, I don't have administrative control of the switch.)

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2009-11-07 at 18:47:20ID24881134
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Answers

 

by: lrmoorePosted on 2009-11-08 at 04:43:46ID: 25770300

This is proxyarp and is usually enabled by default on per-interface.
Look for a line in the config
 sysopt noproxyarp outside

If it is there, then proxyarp is disabled and you will want to remove it.

If you had admin control of the switch you could just clear its arp cache which could still be a problem  no matter what you do until that cache times out or is cleared manually.


 

by: Rick_O_ShayPosted on 2009-11-08 at 06:31:12ID: 25770577

It sounds like you are stuck because the ISP switch is not aging out their old entry fast enough. Can you get them to set the ARP age out time lower? Another thing would be to use a different address in the range they gave you for the public side of the firewall if there is a range so you don't have a conflict with the old address.

 

by: fredzo1966Posted on 2009-11-10 at 03:23:57ID: 25784290

Thanks @lrmoore and @Rick_O_Shay for responding, but I haven't accepted as a solution these posts just yet because my original request was to know whether the Cisco firewall is capable of doing something equivalent to an "arping" or to know whether there is a competely different way to force a switch I do not management to pick up the new MAC/IP association.  Could be that what all three of us know is simply the only solution; to wait for the ARP cache to timeout, or the other obvious answer, to ask the ISP to clear the cache manually.  If there are no other posts within a day or two, I will accept.

 

by: Rick_O_ShayPosted on 2009-11-10 at 04:46:45ID: 25784759

I haven't used ARPING but I don't think it would help. Doesn't it just do an ARP request and print the result from the other device. That still won't clear the arp on the ISP side right?

 

by: fredzo1966Posted on 2009-11-10 at 06:13:57ID: 25785498

Hi, Rick_O_Shay:  There is a flag with "arping" that allows you to broadcast the message from the source IP you select to the entire collision domain, and since it's a broadcast and hits all ports of the switch, it usually "wakes up" the switch to the fact that the IP address it has cached with an association to a different MAC is stale and it will usually drop the data from its cache and pick up the new association.  At least in theory; I guess it ultimately depends on the programming of the switch itself.

 

by: Rick_O_ShayPosted on 2009-11-10 at 09:06:59ID: 25787410

Thanks for that info. I'll have to give it look.

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