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DHCP - Block assignment of IP address based on hostname

Asked by: pastaguy

I have a list of 165 hostnames that keep showing on my network.  These devices are old user work stations and should no longer be in use.  I almost want to treat this as a rogue device issue.  Can i feed the list of 165 hostnames into the DHCP server and tell DHCP to NOT assign an IP address to these workstations.

My goal here is to not allow the machine on the network, so other ideas related to active directory and DHCP are welcome.  

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2009-07-24 at 13:11:34ID24599075
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Answers

 

by: mrwortaPosted on 2009-07-24 at 18:07:45ID: 24940287

If you're using a linux dhcpd it is simple.
You could create a reservation for each host which assigns a bogus address to the "rogue" hosts.

In the .conf it would look like this:
host <hostname> { hardware ethernet <MAC address>; fixed-address 172.16.99.99; }

On Windows you could use netsh to create reservations on the dhcp server.
For example:

netsh dhcp server scope <the scope> add reservedip 172.16.99.99 <MAC address> Bogus Bogus BOTH

But both solutions are not very elegant. And not very secure - Unless you're going to implement security on switch level a user could assign a static ip to his workstation.

Are these PC's still members of your domain?

 

by: pastaguyPosted on 2009-07-25 at 07:28:00ID: 24941771

yes and no, some of them are but we were not sure if removing the machine from the domain would help.  the open question we had for this approach was if the machine is removed from the domain, couldn't the machine still get on the network and get an IP address from the DHCP server using there local credentials file?  If we remove the workstation from the domain, will it not be able to get an IP address?

PS - i understand the issue you mentioned with the static IP address, however I'm dealing with end users.  So, I'm sure some of them might be able to figure that out, however most probably don't know how and its not that big of a security issue for us, if they did because they are our employees.  what we are really trying to do is get the people that are using these machines to call our help desk so we can upgrade them

 

by: pastaguyPosted on 2009-07-25 at 07:36:08ID: 24941795

PS - I agree the network approach is the better and a more secure apporach, however our network is outsourced, so we are trying to come up with Plan B to see if we can deal with the issue in house.  

All this ideas have pros and cons, because if i shut down a port on the switch level, the user could move there machine to another wire or wireless connection.  Question - at the swtich level, can you block a machine based on MAC address?  If so, can this information be casacade to the othe switches on the network?

 

by: mrwortaPosted on 2009-07-25 at 08:32:34ID: 24941962

Removing them from the domain does not prevent them from getting an IP address.
But if they are in your domain (or at least you've remote admin access to the machines) you could do a few other things:

I would use the "shutdown" command to initiate a remote shutdown of each rouge machine.
There is an option to set a timeout and you could even add a comment  eg. "Please call the Helpdesk".

Alternatively you could disable the local user accounts.

A more nasty approach would be to render the system unbootable by remotely modifying the boot.ini or something like that.

Blocking a MAC-Address across multiple access switches needs a centralised management or a kind of authentication 802.1x or mac address authentication via RADIUS.

 

by: exx1976Posted on 2009-08-04 at 10:02:34ID: 25015830

Even if you do manage to get them to not be assigned an IP address, what's to stop users from simply assigning a static IP to them?  Sooner or later some create end user is going to hit up google and figure it out.  It's all downhill from there.


Without blocking the MACs at the switch, I see only a few other options that don't involve switch-level changes:

The most secure way to ensure these machines aren't used it to go out and get them.  Walk around the facility, collect them up, and take them away.

The other way would be to uncable all patch panels/ports that do not have a legitimate/allowed device connected to them.  Clearly this can be a pain, as it is inevitable that some device that should not be unplugged will be, and vice-versa.

Removing them from the domain will prevent the users from logging on to them with a domain account, but a local account will still work.

HTH, YMMV.

-exx

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