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Should a laptop firewall trust a private IP address range?

Asked by: mrjcleaver

We have two laptops, both of which are sometimes used outside the house on various other networks.

Both use Sunbelt Kerio Personal Firewall, and are configured on the 192.168.1.* address range of a Linksys WRT54G.

I now want to share files between these two machines, but not to any other machine. The sharing should only happen when both laptops are at home.

http://www.experts-exchange.com/Operating_Systems/WinXP/Q_22080643.html basically steps through what we need to do, and tells us to turn off the firewall. I assume I could configure the firewalls to punch a hole through the with the IP address range assigned to my network.

However, the 192.168.x.x network is very commonly used. I don't want other machines to gain access to our file shares if they happen to have an address I granted.

I suspect that if I tell Kerio to allow IP traffic on the WINS ports that it will do so always, not just when I am at home. I choose to trust 192. addresses then this will be more or less always.

Is there a way around this?

Thanks,
   M.

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Answers

 

by: keith_alabasterPosted on 2006-12-30 at 09:52:30ID: 18219372

Not really, no. Once you open the hole in the firewall then in principle you are at risk. If you do it by IP address then ovbiously anything that matches that IP is assumed as trusted.

 

by: mrjcleaverPosted on 2007-01-05 at 06:07:11ID: 18251187

Wow. Thanks Keith. I find this amazing. Especially given most people use a 192.168.0.x network. It looks like too many would trust 192.168.0.3, for example.

It wouldn't be as bad if Kerio would allow to specify the mac address or name of a peer on the network. Computer names would work for me as I use DDWRT to DNS masquerade the local machines into the DNS domain. Mac addresses would be manageable for say < 4 machines but even tha becomes unmanageable after about 6.

I moved the trusted range into something obscure, and made it as narrow as possible.

Can machines keep changing their IP address and theorectically step through likely addresses looking for holes in other's firewalls?

 

by: keith_alabasterPosted on 2007-01-05 at 06:15:25ID: 18251259

It wouldn't quite work that way.

remember that the addresses 192.168.0.0 - 192.168.255.255 are in the private range so are not routeable across the internet. The exposure would only come if you went and plugged into a network somewhere and someone already on that network tried to compromise your box.  Likelihood? - who knows.....

however, attacks on the firewalls on their public IP addresses are extremely common place and happen all the time. This is why the best firewall implementation would not allow Internet traffic to work at all..... If there is no outside access, there cannot be attacks from outside.

As soon as you open a port, you open a hole; this is why we use targetted access whenever we can. For example, only allowing access from certain ip addresses TO certain ip addresses limiting the hole wherever we can.

regards
K

 

by: mrjcleaverPosted on 2007-01-05 at 21:38:57ID: 18257172

> exposure would only come if you went and plugged into a network somewhere and someone already on that network tried to compromise your box.

Yes, that's true, but I take my laptop onto untrusted networks every day.

I'm far less worried at home as I am on a non-routeable address, behind a NAT with SPI.

In an internet cafe someone could keep changing IP addresses until they get to the one to which I have enabled NBT. Obscure, but with very undesirable consequences if the shares get exposed.



 

by: keith_alabasterPosted on 2007-01-05 at 23:47:51ID: 18257447

Yes, they could. This is a risk you take

 

by: mrjcleaverPosted on 2007-01-06 at 06:13:15ID: 18258078

I guess I could turn off NBT File and Print sharing when I am not on a trusted network.

Ideally Kerio would do this for me when it notes a change of SSID, but would just stopping the 'Server' and 'Computer Browser' services suffice?

I assume can stop them with 'net stop' commands in a batch file, and that there may exist a tool to execute the batch file when I switch between SSIDs. (Indeed, the mac address of my DD-WRT Linksys Router is known is I want to be paranoid.)

 

by: keith_alabasterPosted on 2007-01-06 at 06:37:10ID: 18258149

It is always going to come back to the point that if you open a port for flexibility, access etc, you open a hole in your protection system. You cannot 100% protect a system when you have the ports open.

 

by: mrjcleaverPosted on 2007-01-06 at 07:10:33ID: 18258250

Thanks.

Is there a solution you would recommend that automates the switching on and off of NBT according to which SSID the laptop is connected to?

 

by: keith_alabasterPosted on 2007-01-06 at 08:28:29ID: 18258448

Its a manual exercise. The alternative is to set it to default in which case the dhcp will devide. Personally I switch it off whenever I connect directly to an outside network and default when on the domain. This is an area where we all hope Vista will seriously improve things.....

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