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SNAT, DNAT, Prerouting, Postrouting; how to decide which to use where?

Asked by: Romanna_Guo

Hello all,

I have been given the assignment to route a secure 30bit subnet to my internal 24bit subnet.

Unfortunatly I do not know how to decide which rules and conditions on which to place this route.

SNAT on prerouting, vs SNAT on postrouting, etc.

Thanks

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2009-03-25 at 13:53:40ID24265102
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Answers

 

by: BlazPosted on 2009-03-26 at 00:29:19ID: 23987953

From your description I can't figure out what exactly you are trying to do.

If you want to do (just) routing this has nothing to do with SNAT and DNAT.

Otherwise - SNAT (NAT of source address) can be only done postrouting. DNAT (NAT of destination address) can be only done prerouting.

http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO//NAT-HOWTO.html

 

by: Romanna_GuoPosted on 2009-03-26 at 08:44:19ID: 23991677

thats interesting,  I did not realize they were linked as SNAT in postroting and DNAT in Prerouting.

I was hoping to use it the other way.

I have to route (or something, I thought it was NAT) a 192.168.197.16/255.255.255.252 to my internal 10.4.245.0/24.

Is this possible to do?

Oh, also, the 192.168.197.16/30 can not be used or accessed as the gateway, it is a vpn subnet I have been assigned.

Thank you

 

by: BlazPosted on 2009-03-27 at 01:50:49ID: 23998934

> I was hoping to use it the other way.

There is no logic to use it the other way around. When the packet is received by the machine it can't be correctly routed if the destination IP is not yet known (wrong). That is why destination NAT must be done before routing - PREROUTING.

Similarly source address must be available when routing and filtering so source NAT is the very last step before packet leaves the machine - POSTROUTING.

> I have to route (or something, I thought it was NAT) a 192.168.197.16/255.255.255.252 to my internal 10.4.245.0/24.

You VPN to your network and are assigned an address 192.168.197.16/255.255.255.252, right. If this address does not conflict with any of your internal addresses (if you only have 10.4.245.0/24 it should not) then you can only write a route on your default gateway - to route packets 192.168.197.16/30 to your VPN tunnel.

If you don't want to see address 192.168.197.16/60 in your internal network you could SNAT the packets to 10.4.245.0.

> Oh, also, the 192.168.197.16/30 can not be used or accessed as the gateway, it is a vpn subnet I have been assigned.

Why not? As I asked before - could you explain what you are trying to do. Your company network is 10.4.245.0/24, right. Are you trying to VPN out to some other location and are assigned 192.168.197.16/30 address or is someone VPNing to your network or what?


 

by: Romanna_GuoPosted on 2009-03-27 at 09:24:31ID: 24002713

Hello,

Thank you Blaz,  that link you sent has been very enlightening on how things work.  I have been looking for a manual for a while.

Well here is the complete scenario.  This VPN I am trying to route is a client side to a data vendor.  I have been assigned these addresses by them.  We receive data through this connection but they probably would get pissed if all of our gateway traffic diverts through their servers/internet connections.  

the issue I am having is that they have told me what ip addresses that belong to what they call my "Encryption Domain(Subnet - Local Secure Group)"

I am trying to build this ipsec connection in an ipcop box and have gone as far as i know how, with no luck.

 

by: BlazPosted on 2009-03-28 at 01:46:48ID: 24007681

> This VPN I am trying to route is a client side to a data vendor.  
> I have been assigned these addresses by them.  

I assume that you will have to do SNAT then - from your network address (10.4.245.X) to assigned addresses (192.168.197.16). This is to make sure that all the reply packets know where they must go. Their network is probably not aware of your network addresses.

>We receive data through this connection but they probably would get
> pissed if all of our gateway traffic diverts through their servers/internet connections.  

Not sure what you mean. You should only route traffic to destination 192.168.0.0/16 (or whatever their network is) through the VPN. All other traffic should go directly to the internet. On linux you can add routing rules with the following command:
ip route add 192.168.0.0/16 via 10.4.245.5

> the issue I am having is that they have told me what ip addresses that
> belong to what they call my "Encryption Domain(Subnet - Local Secure Group)"

As stated above I believe that you should be represented by these addresses whenever communicating with their network - you should SNAT.

> I am trying to build this ipsec connection in an ipcop box and have gone as far as i know how, with no luck.

I don't use ipcop so I am no expert there. You can have a look at:
http://www.ipcop.org/1.4.0/en/admin/html/vpnaw.html

It is a fact that VPNs can be difficult to establish, especially if trying to do it between different products (ipcop to cisco or similar).

 

by: Romanna_GuoPosted on 2009-04-28 at 10:39:06ID: 24253087

Well,  after a lot of trial and error, I found that I only needed half a route, and the return just makes the entire system not work.   the IPsec connection gives errors that packets are being ignored, but we have full connection and data is flowing both ways.

This will be my solution because the box has been in the production environment for 3 weeks now with no issues, or flaws.

20120131-EE-VQP-002

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