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Security for opening outgoing port

Asked by: ryan80

I have a security division denying me access to a network because they say that it is a security risk. I dont believe it is. Can anyone tell me if there is a security risk in this scenario?

I have a management server that runs on a public IP address. Agents are installed on the computers being managed that initiate a connection with the management server. So I only need 1 port to be opened to only my 1 public IP address and it only needs to be opened for outgoing traffic not incoming.

However thier security department is telling me that this is a security risk. They are saying that this opens up their network to attacks. They are fully satisfied that our management server is not a risk, but their security guy is saying that somehow this one port opened for outgoing traffic to my one IP address can be exploited. He cited social engineering as a possible way to gain access.

Now I am not a security expert, but I do not see how someone could exploit this. It is secure communication going out under a unique protocol. It is limited to only outgoing out over one port and only to one IP address. I dont think that this security guy knows what he is talking about, he seems to be more of a big picture guy and subs out to more technical people.

Am I wrong in thinking that this does not open any vulnerabilities?

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2009-08-27 at 07:00:37ID24686619
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Networking Security Vulnerabilities

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Miscellaneous Security

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IPSec Security Protocol

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Answers

 

by: pankusareenPosted on 2009-08-27 at 07:05:27ID: 25198296

Yes there are some ports if opened can be exploited like DCOM RPC (port 135) can be exploit . RPC Locator (port 445) can also be exploited.

U just use a good firewall and block that port number that use security division say

 

by: pankusareenPosted on 2009-08-27 at 07:09:14ID: 25198348

u can refer to this site and enter the port number and see whether  it is open or not
http://www.canyouseeme.org/

 

by: ryan80Posted on 2009-08-27 at 08:57:48ID: 25199703

This is only a question of opening one port for outgoing, not incoming. The application has to initiate a connection within the network, and it is only being opened to one public IP address. Additionally it is a non-standard port in the 5000 range.

 

by: jahboitePosted on 2009-08-28 at 04:35:59ID: 25206480

Let me get this straight.

The agents run on machines in their network and initiate connections to your management server.
You want them to allow outbound connections to port 5XXX for those machines.
They don't want to.

Is that right?

Allowing an additional outbound port does not open an avenue for attack from the outside simply because it only allow connections initiated from the inside.  What they may be unhappy to do is allow another way for internal machines to contact the outside.  They may have their network locked down so that their users can browse the web and not much else (such as denying file-sharing traffic) and they may not want to loosen that arrangement.
They may also be worried about attackers exploiting other vulnerabilities and delivering payloads into their network that can then use port 5XXX to exfiltrate data or connect back to the attackers machine to allow remote control.
If the firewall was set to allow outgoing connections to only port 5XXX or your management IP then all of these considerations are dealt with and I can't really see why else they would object.

Assuming they do allow outbound connections to some port then perhaps you could determine which ports they are (a good bet would be 80 http and 443 https) and configure your agents to connect to one of those and your management server to accept incoming connections to the same.

At the least, I think you need to get something in writing detailing their concerns so that you can properly address those concerns.

 

by: jahboitePosted on 2009-08-28 at 04:37:59ID: 25206495

should read: "If the firewall was set to allow outgoing connections to only port 5XXX on your management IP then all of these considerations are dealt with and I can't really see why else they would object."

dammit!

 

by: ryan80Posted on 2009-08-28 at 06:57:11ID: 31621708

They need to take care of an issue on their end. They have a administration network and a production network that are not seperated. They need to configure their firewall to prevent any posibilities of problems in production. I undertand this concern, but at the same time they are preventing me from rolling out patches, doing backups, and other management tasks. The problem is that the person approving this in their security department, is not a very technical person. He is telling me that this would open up social engineering attacks, and has no idea what he is saying. With a unique encrypted protocol running on one IP address and only having outgoing access, I would say that the risk is jsut about as minimal as you can get, short of cutting the WAN cable.

Thanks for the help, just wanted to make sure that I wasn't going crazy.

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