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need compelling reasons to switch from SourceSafe to Team Foundation Server (and help diagnosing our development process for weaknesses)

Asked by: GrandPixel

I am a beginner developer and am working with team that uses SourceSafe. We also use third-party SourceOffSite to make our code accessible via the Internet. We seem to be having lots off issues with our development process/system. As a beginner, I cannot say with certainty what these issues are, what causes them, and what really needs to be changed to improve our development process, although I think much of this has to do with SourceSafe and/or SourceOffSite.

My goal is to convince the team leads that we can do some things to greatly increase our productivity. However, I do acknowledge my inexperience which is why I am here to get help diagnosing our system for weaknesses.

Here are some of my concerns:

1) Our build process takes the better part of an eight hour day, and involves removing the development code from my system, re-getting the code from sourcesafe for a test build, making a copy of the development code for production, getting the production code on the build machine, and building the code. So each solution has to be downloaded from source control into Visual Studio twice and there can be 9 solutions involved, depending on which clients we are building for. The "get" or "open from source control" process for a solution in Visual Studio can take 30 minutes to an hour, and I'm not sure why (processing time on server? processing time on client? network bandwidth? etc). I am doing a get right now on a solution that consists of roughly 1000 files occupying 100 MB, and it took about 15 minutes. Other solutions are larger and take longer.

2) Our source control sometimes gets "messed up" on a development machine, where functions like "get latest" seem to work but don't result in having the latest code on the development machine for example. This requires deleting the configuration files for SourceOffSite and often deleting the source code as well. Re-getting this code in Visual Studio again can take hours.

3) We have code files that are shared between solutions. This means that if a file is changed in one solution and checked in, that solution may compile with that code but another solution may not. Therefore, we have broken code in SourceSafe. Is it okay to share files between solutions?

I have read and heard from a few sources that SourceSafe has some real issues and from Microsoft sources that switching to Team Foundation Server as soon as possible is highly recommended.

Please ask me questions if you need clarification of how things are done currently. I would like to gather the information needed for management to allow me to get Team Foundation Server up and running.

Thanks for your input.

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by: ripahoratiuPosted on 2009-09-08 at 00:39:19ID: 25279405

Well, Source Safe is simply a Source Management Tool TFS is much more than that. Except the fact that TFS as source management is using the SQL engine to manage the sources, and has better source management capabilities, is much more stable and can be used in large environments (meaning large teams, believe me, you don't want to see what's happening when you use VSS with 50 users working on the same solution), works better in concurrence and has a better conflict resolving management. That's for Source Management only, and, indeed, MS highly recommends it against VSS.
But furthermore, TFS is a great tool for the entire management of development, that offers you the possibility to create/associate the documents, iterations, assign tasks, bugs, issues, roles, versions, and so on and keep the whole thing together, in a single organized place. It's also a bug tracking tool, a project technical management tool, and if it is properly used one can have a very good image on project progress and status. It might have a painful learning curve but my opinion on it is that it is a great tool, once that everyone begins to use it properly. It is not a silver bullet, and have sometimes problems but not major problems - it will probably reach maturity these days - but is one of the best management tool on the market, and for MS VS solutions is surely the best since is integrated with VS.

 

by: TheSaturn49Posted on 2009-09-20 at 22:53:44ID: 25380508

I'll add that team builds in TFS will greatly reduce the amount of time you're spending doing production builds, and it will be trackable, controllable and repeatable.

Also, TFS provides an import utility so you can import your VSS source, including the history to TFS.

To answer your specific questions:
1) Team builds on one or more dedicated build machines will fix the pain involved in builds and will very likely make them faster.  Getting source in TFS is much faster and more efficient than it was in VSS.

2) The SQL backend of TFS prevents things from getting "messed up."  There's a few things that work differently in TFS that may cause your users to think TFS didn't do something right, but every case I've ever seen is actually the user misunderstanding how TFS works and is quickly correctable.

3) Sharing files between solutions can be done, but to do it properly means that the shared code should be in a shared *library*, not in a file(s) that are referenced by multiple projects.  This has nothing to do with TFS, but is fundamental to successfully reusing code.

If shared libraries are not possible, then the problems of sharing files could potentially be mitigated with something called continuous integration - that is, anytime a file is checked in, the appropriate builds are fired off automatically and any builds that break due to the checkin will be known quickly.  This works well when the actual compilation of a project is on the order of minutes, but not so well when it is on the order of hours.

MS does not recommend VSS anymore for the same reason they don't recommend MS Access - database handling done with only a client via a file-share is prone to corruption.

TFS is not simply an upgraded version of VSS - it was an entirely new product written from the ground up.  Even if TFS is only used for source control, it is still way better at that than VSS is.



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