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UK Accounting software and their databases.

Asked by: seriousnick

Hi Experts

I am charged with compiling a list of "off the shelf" accounting packages (possibly ERP if fitting) for small to medium business (max 200 employees, turnover up to say £100 million).
Part of the brief - and hence the question - is to ascertain if the systems database is industry standard or proprietary. If proprietary, then approx cost of SDK to query its database.

E.g. I am very familiar with Sage Line 50 (currently in use) and know at present it sits on a proprietary database (although grapevine whispers hint at MYSQL soon????)

Therefore can anyone please list any accounting software and its database as per criteria above (please note United Kingdom use only).

Many thanks

Nick

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Answers

 

by: brucedenneyPosted on 2009-07-28 at 03:39:55ID: 24959319

Are you wanting to read only data from the database like with Sage 50 ODBC or are you looking to write data into the database?

If you are looking to write data then SDK's are not the only solution. For Sage 50 the SDK is a huge cost every year but there are much less expensive and less complicated solutions.

Note that most Accounts systems, even if they use a standard database, will encrypt the data this is for 2 purposes, to prevent transactions being poorly written into the database and therby creating corrupt data and in order to provide security to the system and prevent people from simply reading the data.

On the Sage front, the latest rumours are that the MySql version will be released during the life of V2010 and not in September as originally thought.


I suspect that the information your are requesting is not going to address the underlying requirement.

Perhaps what you should be asking is accounting systems and the costs of being able to integrate to them and not get hung up on the type of database back end or the use of an SDK,

Unfortunately most of us here are "experts" and not salesmen so you might not get a lot of response.

 

by: seriousnickPosted on 2009-07-28 at 04:41:07ID: 24959638

Hi brucedenney and thanks for your response.

The reason I have asked the question is that I have a need to assimilate data from many types of accounting packages into one large database that can then be queried (and updated/changed).
I cannot go into too much detail at present, other than to say, I have a huge unknown here and that is:   can this actually be done and if so how?
I guessed step one was asking the above question.

Hypothetically - A large company started buying up smaller companies. The larger company then ran the smaller companies autonomously but wanted to centralise the accounting systems (purely on the cash flow side) and have them all in similar databases for ease. So the smaller companies continued to run their account systems (stock/sales etc) but the new owner company then had a central handle on the cash position. ******  this is about as close a hypothesis as I can get.

What I can also say is that at present, I have limited, if any, knowledge of other "mainstream" accounting packages (including their existence even!), and would hope for some information on these through this question also.

I would hope the fact that we are "experts" and not salesmen would lead to some more informative answers (cross fingers).

Thanks again

Nick

 

by: BillBachPosted on 2009-07-28 at 06:50:12ID: 24960587

Perhaps you should look at the problem from the other side.  You want to merge data from disparate data sources.  This problem is solved by the universe of Extract, Trandsform, and Load (ETL) applications.  Examples include purchased products like Pervasive's Data Integrator, or the open source solutions from Pentaho and Jaspersoft.  Each has its own costs and benefits, and learning curve is typically a bit steep for most, but the better products are a bit easier to use.

ETL applications have the ability to connect to many different data sources -- Pervasive's solution supports well over a hundred, and likely more by now.  They bring the data into a central "processing hub" where the data is transformed to align with the target database (your central system in your example above), and then the target data is written.  If you need more details or examples, try googling "ETL" and you'll find numerous hits.

 

by: seriousnickPosted on 2009-07-28 at 15:34:40ID: 24965832

Many thanks BillBach

I guess this would be exactly what I need were there such a product.
I have downloaded the Pervasive Integrator trial to see if this will fit the bill.

I still also need to compile a list of accounting softwares to pre-empt integration as we meet them, head on.

If there is no further input in the next couple of days, I will close out and re-ask just for accounting software.

Cheers

Nick

 

by: BillBachPosted on 2009-07-28 at 16:27:07ID: 24966149

Your original question was clear and to the point.  However, I am thinking that your only source of an answer for packages specific to the UK would be an accounting company in the UK that may have had to work with many different versions from different clients of theirs.  Will they be willing to provide such a list for free?  Perhaps.  However, EE tends to be more of a gEEk place, not a beancounter place, so my guess is that you won't find a viable reply here.

 

by: brucedenneyPosted on 2009-07-29 at 02:18:35ID: 24968358

There was a company (paymentor.com) a few years ago that tried to run an on-line debt chasing system, they came up with links to quite a few accounting packages that would collect the kind of information you are talking about. They did all the major players, they ceased trading pretty quick, but you might be able to track down the people who were involved.

 

by: seriousnickPosted on 2009-07-30 at 09:18:37ID: 24981385

Thanks guys - although not what I asked, I think I actually got better information!

I will close out with the accept to BillBach (350 pts) for the pointer to a data integrator and assist to brucedenney (150 pts) for further info.

Many thanks

Nick

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