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Groupwise 6.5 POA Undeliverable Messages

Asked by: russrtw

When email is submitted from a "contact us" form on our external website, the message is sent to a user on our network.  The "contact us" form uses this specific user's email address as the recipient AND the sender.  It's always worked like this... and the web admin teams says it needs to stay like this.

PROBLEM:  The POA now lists an "Undeliverable" message for every "contact us" message this user receives.  If you use a different sender address, the message gets to her mailbox just fine.  She receives other mail just fine, as well as all other users.

Why would the POA not deliver the message just because the sender address is the same as the recipient?.  Better question is why this originally worked before.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  GWIA appears to be handing the message to the POA just fine.  No errors in MTA.

Netware 5.1 SP7
Groupwise 6.5 SP1b
Client/Svr connected IP

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Answers

 

by: PsiCopPosted on 2004-02-26 at 21:14:31ID: 10466799

Does your webserver talk DIRECTLY to the POA? Or does this flow thru a GWIA?

 

by: PsiCopPosted on 2004-02-26 at 21:22:57ID: 10466842

Whoops. Sorry, didn't completely read your initial posting. OK, so GWIA gets it, likes it, routes it to the proper PO. That POA gets it and saz its "Undeliverable". That's odd - normally if there is a problem the GWIA will barf.

OK, my idea right now is that you have a problem in the GroupWise Domain database. First thing I would try would be to go into ConsoleOne, switch to the GroupWise view, select the user's account, right-click, select GroupWise Utilities and then Synchronize.

If THAT does not fix it, next try validating the PO and Domain databases.

If they're OK and it still isn't working, I would suggest a top-down rebuild of the system databases. Novell has a TID on this - I don't have it in front of my but they have a recommended procedure for the rebuild on the Support @ Novell website (http://support.novell.com) - search the Knowledgebase on terms like "database rebuild" with the GroupWise selection.

 

by: russrtwPosted on 2004-02-27 at 09:20:14ID: 10470928

Tried all except the top-down rebuild, no success.  They are heavily using email today, so I'll have to try that some other time.

I'm still wondering, why would all other mail get to her mailbox just fine?  It's only when the sender address matches her email address (from the web form).  It even appears correctly in the GWIA log:

"Processsing inbound message<path>..."
"Sender: abc@domain.com"
"Recipient: abc@domain.com"
"Queuing to MTA"

Then I look at the POA, and it adds an additional message as "Undeliverable" in the upper right hand corner of the screen.

This is, of course, hard to troubleshoot with another user's mailbox because you can send yourself email inside the network just fine... since that never needs to reach GWIA.

Thanks for the suggestions, any other ideas?

 

by: hbuenoPosted on 2004-03-03 at 10:24:28ID: 10506955

Have you tried using telnet to compose messages manually?  I do this whenever I suspect a problem.

See the following TID for an example of how to do this

http://support.novell.com/cgi-bin/search/searchtid.cgi?/10027206.htm

Have you checked SMTP relay settings?  Probably not the cause, but you never know.

You may also want to try the latest beta versions of the GWIA.   The initial release as well as SP1 had some bugs with IMAP.  Maybe there were bugs with your issue as well.

 

by: PsiCopPosted on 2004-03-03 at 10:41:53ID: 10507063

I don't think its a GWIA problem - the gateway would be rejecting it.

 

by: russrtwPosted on 2004-03-04 at 22:21:00ID: 10520429

Well, I can attribute this only the the latest change in Netware... which was Support Pack 7 for 5.1.  This started right after the patch was applied.  I worked with the web people, and they found a way to send her the emails using an outside email address.

Why this changed... I don't know.  BUT, I'm not going to worry about it anymore.  If anyone runs into an explaination... please let me know.

Thanks for all the help.

 

by: hbuenoPosted on 2004-03-05 at 05:38:27ID: 10522357

Interesting coincidence.  I would be very interested to find out how a Netware patch could affect address accept/reject functionality at the GWIA.

 

by: PsiCopPosted on 2004-03-05 at 07:41:57ID: 10523614

I confess this has me perplexed. Like hbueno, I'd find it odd that a NetWare Support Pack could change the functionality of GroupWise.

I also find it very odd that the GWIA accepts the message and routes it to a particular PO, only to have that PO reject it as undeliverable.

The way ot works is this - an E-Mail comes in, the GWIA checks who it is to, looks in the Domain Database for that user, and determines the Post Office in which that user resides. The E-Mail is then handed to the MTA with instructions "Route this to Post Office X".

"X" is determined from the Domain Database, which is why I suggested the database repair idea - starting with the innocuous Synchronize and working up to a full top-down Rebuild.

I know you've closed the Question, but a question that occurs to me is this:  The POA that rejects the message, is that the PO where the user resides? What I'm trying to figure out is does the GWIA correctly address the message inside the GroupWise system. Or do you have a PO A and a PO B and the user who is supposed to get the message lives in PO B but the GWIA somehow tells the MTA to send to PO A and PO A rejects it as Undeliverable?

 

by: russrtwPosted on 2004-03-05 at 12:15:43ID: 10526264

Yes, it's the same POA.  The user resides in the same domain as the MTA and GWIA.

Still presents the question... why would ALL mail be delivered correctly unless the sender address matches the recipient.  I would think GWIA would reject it as spam, but it doesn't.

I'll keep looking online for an answer, and post the response when/if found.

Thanks again.

 

by: PsiCopPosted on 2004-03-09 at 06:25:32ID: 10550403

Check out Novell TID #10024753 - it applies to an older version, but may provide some clues.

20120131-EE-VQP-002

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