Question

phplist email like spam

Asked by: diegomirner

Dear Experts,

Im trying to find out why email sent by phplist are traite like spam in hotmail.
You can find attached a copy of the email header details.

Please advice
Thanks in advance

Recieved: 
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 15:17:28 +0200
To: elsaxofonista@hotmail.com
From: UICC Mailing <noreply@uicc.org>
Subject: test12
Message-ID: <7f3e7f17e6a37a8dfafb0da2ba32dde4@mailings.uicc.org>
Errors-To: bounces@mailings.uicc.org
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

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Asked On: 2009-09-08 at 06:52:51ID24714788
Tags: PHPList 2.10.9
Topics: Postfix
,; PHP Scripting Language
Participating Experts: 2
Points: 500
Comments: 8

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by: govindarajan78Posted on 2009-09-08 at 07:07:26ID: 25281991

send the mails from a valid domain name. the from email domain and the domain name should be same.

ex.

if your website is example.com then mail should be like newsletter@example.com

this may help you
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=81126

SPF record, and signing with DKIM or DomainKeys

by: diegomirnerPosted on 2009-09-08 at 07:50:11ID: 25282445

Just change domain name but still on junk.please look at the code.

X-Message-Delivery: Vj0xLjE7dXM9MDtsPTA7YT0wO0Q9MjtTQ0w9Ng==
X-Message-Status: n:0
X-SID-PRA: UICC Mailing <noreply@uicc.org>
X-Message-Info: 6sSXyD95QpUjfM+cXvM+WSfl61xI1g7e1SGpyPM962B4xkkgk9QobjI34qAUqp2eRAToky58B5Uz9xHI2vN5vOmkYGl9A+S/
Received: from mailings.uicc.org ([195.15.64.2]) by col0-mc4-f22.Col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959);
	 Tue, 8 Sep 2009 07:21:55 -0700
Received: from mailings.uicc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1])
	by mailings.uicc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F5298A6708
	for <elsaxofonista@hotmail.com>; Tue,  8 Sep 2009 16:20:46 +0200 (CEST)
Recieved: 
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 16:20:46 +0200
To: elsaxofonista@hotmail.com
From: UICC Mailing <noreply@uicc.org>
Subject: test13
Message-ID: <5f66c9be04fff4f63355b0f35b6323aa@mailings.uicc.org>
X-Priority: 3
X-Mailer: PHPMailer [version 1.73]
X-MessageID: 816
X-ListMember: elsaxofonista@hotmail.com
Errors-To: bounces@uicc.org
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Return-Path: bounces@uicc.org
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Sep 2009 14:21:55.0800 (UTC) FILETIME=[B7F19580:01CA308F]

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by: wuff1ukPosted on 2009-09-08 at 08:03:05ID: 25282600

Hotmail is rather picky in their anti-spam attempts. Ensure you add a reply-to line in the header and ensure that the noreply@uicc.org is a valid email address, even though everything sent to it will be dumped immediately.

by: diegomirnerPosted on 2009-09-08 at 08:41:23ID: 25283031

I found on the header that still the mesege Id its still arriving with a wrong domain name.
I can't find where I should change it.
can you help ?
look at the code header.

X-Message-Delivery: Vj0xLjE7dXM9MDtsPTA7YT0wO0Q9MjtTQ0w9Ng==
X-Message-Status: n:0
X-SID-PRA: UICC Mailing <noreply@uicc.org>
X-Message-Info: 6sSXyD95QpXV6ZJEWvf5bAGaJQ67hS2EK9YIwwe735wcDrpugzwMyxPcwMZSJOzg1aPrmR9ydBhH+Fe5NhqryEnBFlYTKHBa
Received: from mailings ([195.15.64.2]) by col0-mc2-f25.Col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959);
	 Tue, 8 Sep 2009 08:36:22 -0700
Received: from mailings.uicc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1])
	by mailings (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF538A6708
	for <elsaxofonista@hotmail.com>; Tue,  8 Sep 2009 17:35:13 +0200 (CEST)
Recieved: 
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 17:35:13 +0200
To: elsaxofonista@hotmail.com
From: UICC Mailing <noreply@uicc.org>
Subject: test15
Message-ID: <622221e1fc068b8888f2c278778c3ea7@mailings.uicc.org>
X-Priority: 3
X-Mailer: PHPMailer [version 1.73]
X-MessageID: 818
X-ListMember: elsaxofonista@hotmail.com
Errors-To: bounces@uicc.org
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Return-Path: bounces@uicc.org
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Sep 2009 15:36:22.0894 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E8A08E0:01CA309A]

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by: wuff1ukPosted on 2009-09-08 at 10:39:17ID: 25284239

The message id looks okay, but the domain name as reported from your server does not, as it now only reports mailings and not the fully qualified domain name mailings.uicc.org. You might wanna undo what you changed.

However, please try adding a proper Reply-To address to the headers and ensure the Reply-To address and From address are both valid and available.

You also might want to put UICC Mailing in quotes in your From address
-> From: "UICC Mailing" <noreply@uicc.org>

First two examples from you:
Received: from mailings.uicc.org ([195.15.64.2]) by col0-mc1-f27.Col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959);
 
Last example from you:
Received: from mailings ([195.15.64.2]) by col0-mc2-f25.Col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959);
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Use these headers:
Reply-To: "UICC Mailing" <noreply@uicc.org>
From: "UICC Mailing" <noreply@uicc.org>

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by: diegomirnerPosted on 2009-09-09 at 01:05:45ID: 25289099

I cant manage to add quotes in from address ,
also I can manage to change the :
Message-ID: <e4e5c32d7bbf4e72822ec39ccd8828ee@mailings.uicc.org> , where domain name its should be @uicc.org not " @mailings.uicc.org" as you cna see it in the message id string.
Any idea wy?
I have check on :
hostname
/etc/main.cf
myorigin = /etc/mailname

X-Message-Delivery: Vj0xLjE7dXM9MDtsPTA7YT0wO0Q9MjtTQ0w9Ng==
X-Message-Status: n:0
X-SID-PRA: UICC Mailing <noreply@uicc.org>
X-Message-Info: 6sSXyD95QpXGdtvm2WxqHRpAjZeCEiMNICAl37K1hL5UBHhs7ESia1vmGq8vsItEvPPDrPG/T7Hg0BYtOHh3inEUkHeK+rDb
Received: from mailings.uicc.org ([195.15.64.2]) by col0-mc2-f18.Col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959);
	 Wed, 9 Sep 2009 00:51:25 -0700
Received: from mailings.uicc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1])
	by mailings.uicc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6929A8A66EF
	for <elsaxofonista@hotmail.com>; Wed,  9 Sep 2009 09:50:14 +0200 (CEST)
Recieved: 
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 09:50:14 +0200
To: elsaxofonista@hotmail.com
From: UICC Mailing <noreply@uicc.org>
Subject: test16
Message-ID: <e4e5c32d7bbf4e72822ec39ccd8828ee@mailings.uicc.org>
X-Priority: 3
X-Mailer: PHPMailer [version 1.73]
X-MessageID: 818
X-ListMember: elsaxofonista@hotmail.com
Errors-To: bounces@uicc.org
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
	boundary="b1_e4e5c32d7bbf4e72822ec39ccd8828ee"
Return-Path: bounces@uicc.org
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Sep 2009 07:51:25.0764 (UTC) FILETIME=[54F79040:01CA3122]

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by: wuff1ukPosted on 2009-09-09 at 01:55:07ID: 25289311

The hostname being displayed in the message ID does not matter, it's still the same domain. The message ID does not have to follow any standard except to be unique worldwide, so most emailers use a combination of timestamp and the domain. See RFC2392 for more info: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2392.txt

The quotes around the first part of the From aren't strictly necessary in this case, but they will be if you change your from name and include special characters.

I still don't see a Reply-To field in your headers.
Is noreply@uicc.org a valid email address and setup properly to receive email?

I found a bug report for phplist which seems to indicate that the x-* headers are increasing the spam rating. http://mantis.phplist.com/view.php?id=5513 You might want to play around with removing several of them and it might help.

And last but not least, depending on how many email addresses are on your list, it's possible that hotmail blocked you due to sending too many emails in a short time, or hotmail considers the email spam due to the content of the mail and not due to the header info.

by: diegomirnerPosted on 2009-09-09 at 06:29:34ID: 25290984

Ok find it, I have change content of mail form and data content and have went true.
Thanks again.
I will publish a new question regarding email relay.
best

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