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Internal email Server: Exchange Set-up & fees too high?? Alternatives?

Asked by: DANLITOV

I work for a small company (~40 people), which doesn't have an email server, and recently put out a bid to have this set up.  The company is a community mental health center, with a limited budget.  We're willing to pay to get it done right, but I'm uncertain if the bid we've received is exorbitant, or reasonable.  Here's what we've received:

1 Dell PowerEdge 1900 Model 180  2 Intel Dual Proc. SATA RAID/5 2GB RAM + tape back up (with Windows) = $5000

40 MS Exchange 2007 licenses = $2500
1 Symantec Back up software  $600
1 MS Exchange 2007 Server OS w 5/CAL (i'm not sure why 5?)  $1200

Is this what it takes to get us to be able to simply send email to each other internally using Microsoft Outlook??  I didn't think it would be that expensive!  Is there a relatively simple alternative?  The company has the money if necessary, but I certainly wasn't expecting to need such high end equipment.

I should add that almost everyone has WindowsXP, with MIcrosoft office installed.

Thanks for any and all answers!

Dan

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by: WizardWillPosted on 2009-03-26 at 20:14:33ID: 23997792

is there any reason you need it hosted internally you can always have it hosted some where else and pay a monthly fee it usually includes support etc ... just depends on your requirements

http://www.google.com/search?q=exchange+hosting&rls=com.microsoft:*&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1

 

by: DANLITOVPosted on 2009-03-26 at 20:44:59ID: 23997907

We did get a quote on that, for $10 per person.  Which would end up costing us more after a year and a half.  We  also want something that pops up as soon as a person logs in to their computer, we don't want something like a website that people have to log into manually in order to access their mail.

 

by: WizardWillPosted on 2009-03-26 at 21:10:10ID: 23997996

well just looking @ it quickly yeah looks ok...
Now that you have one quote you can always seek additonal quotes from other suppliers to make sure you are getting best for your buck ...competition is healthy shop around..

if you end up opening it up so you can send email outside your company domain you will need to puchase and setup additional things

Good luck --- get some more opions mine is just one

 

by: murgroupPosted on 2009-03-26 at 23:21:31ID: 23998396

www.bluehost.com $6.95 per month 2500 pop email accounts.

Microsoft SBS 2003 $350-$500 gives you Exchange 2003

Microsoft SBS 2008 $1200+ but must have a 64 bit server. gives you exchange 2007

 

by: MesthaPosted on 2009-03-27 at 07:48:52ID: 24001494

I cannot comment on the pricing as I am on the wrong side of the pond.
However the Exchange 2007 license looks like retail box, which comes with CALs. Personally I would look to licence it on volume licensing which will be cheaper.

However 40 users puts you in to SBS 2008 territory, which will be cheaper for you. SBS allows a maximum of 75 users. Do you already have a Windows domain? If not then there are no WINDOWS CALs on the list.

If you go with SBS then you do not need the Symantec backup software - although you could use the Symantec SBS bundle. Another option would be Backup Assist, which is cheaper than Symantec Backup Exec.

-M

 

by: moorhouselondonPosted on 2009-03-27 at 12:50:05ID: 24004807

>Is there a relatively simple alternative?

I recommend you look at Mdaemon.  No way do you need to spend a lot of money on hardware, and it doesn't need the same level of IT expertise to maintain as Exchange.

www.altn.com

 

by: DANLITOVPosted on 2009-03-27 at 18:24:52ID: 24006751

Thanks so far for the answers.  However, I feel like I'm getting parts, and not the whole picture.  I'd like to rephrase the question.

1) Do I need a high powered computer (i.e. dual pentium, RAID5, etc)? Won't a simple plain vanilla computer, with enough RAM, and maybe dual hard drives be sufficient for a 40-50 employee company?

2) What would be the bare minimum microsoft software components I would need to run an internal mail server?

Thanks,
Dan

 

by: MesthaPosted on 2009-03-27 at 18:30:33ID: 24006769

Looking at the hardware spec again, I would have to doubt if they know what they are doing. Even on a small number of users I always have two arrays for Exchange because it is a high transactional database. One array for the OS and logs, another array for the database. Buy it correctly and it will last you for years. I have Exchange 2003 servers still in production five years later.

To provide protection for the data, RAID arrays are almost mandatory. I wouldn't dream of doing Exchange without a RAID. While you could save money up front, in the event of a drive failure you would lose the money saved quickly. Remember hard disks WILL fail, it is just a matter of when.

If you decide to run something else, then you can often get away with a lot less. I have a copy of SmarterMail running on a single mirrored array quite happily.

-M

 

by: moorhouselondonPosted on 2009-03-28 at 00:57:17ID: 24007597

OK this may fly in the face of "textbook" setups, but consider this.  If the Server, with all its' RAID, etc. were to fail through, say a mainboard problem, how soon would it be before you could get the company up and running again?  Do you have some kind of (regularly maintained) Hot Spare kicking around?  With a company of 40 people, this kind of contingency is I would say, mandatory.  But what steps are in place to transfer operations from the Live system to get the Hot Spare in operation?  There are one hell of a lot of "what if's" there, and Sod's Law is that the next fault that happens is not on the list.

If you were to use a mail server that ran on ordinary hardware, ordinary operating systems, then performance might not be nearly as fast as with a tuned system, but if you had a disaster situation today you would be guaranteed to be up and running again within a matter of a few hours.  With Mdaemon you could run it on Windows XP, download the program again (old versions are still available if you were concerned about too many changes happening at the same time), migrating the old message store across might take a while, but there are ways to facilitate this.  Because the Mail Server is a completely separate entity to Active Directory, etc. etc. there is nothing to stop you setting up users in different directories whilst the migration takes place, so users wouldn't have historic stuff immediately, but current stuff would be rolling in almost immediately.  Over the years of using Mdaemon I have had to do this a few times for clients and they appreciate the fact that there is, hour on hour, demonstrable progress in recovery from catastrophe to complete recovery.  

 

by: DANLITOVPosted on 2009-03-28 at 01:07:44ID: 24007621

Moorehouse:
I have a followup question regarding your answer.
This sounds like an elegant solution (I assume it works with MS Outlook?)
What kind of equipment and software would I need to set it up?

Thanks!

 

by: moorhouselondonPosted on 2009-03-28 at 02:51:41ID: 24007785

I still have clients running Mdaemon on ordinary Windows 98 and Windows 2000 pc's!  These are, however, not companies with 40 employees, it has to be said.  Mdaemon is not at all fussy about what it will run on - I have had glitches running it on SBS however where you have to make sure anything else that may be mail-related is not started, have had instances when Microsoft updates have decided to tinker with SMTP causing Mdaemon to display its' panic red icon in the Systray, but absolutely nothing that has caused extensive head-scratching.  With real-time logging switched on in Mdaemon, diagnosis of problems are a breeze compared with Exchange.  Mestha makes Exchange seem easy too, but he is a specialist in this field, the cost of having someone like him come and sort out difficulties will make you think several times before picking up the phone.  My clients who run Mdaemon tend to have *no* in-house I.T. presence whatsoever, so they need a low-maintenance system (and so do I, for my sanity's sake).

Yes, it will work with Outlook - use IMAP though.  

 

by: MesthaPosted on 2009-03-29 at 15:40:03ID: 24014938

I hardly think that you can compare Mdaemon with Exchange. Mdaemon is an email application, whereas Exchange is a collaboration platform. That is like comparing your family run around with a with a Ferrari. Yes they will both get you to the shops, but are they the best thing for the task?

If you need the features of Exchange then you will need to purchase Exchange. If you just want something to do email, then you could purchase something like Mdaemon or even just use IIS and find a web frontend for it.

There isn't enough information in the question to say whether Exchange is a suitable product for you or not. Mdaemon might be suitable, IIS could be, something like SmarterMail. Then there SBS versions of Exchange to consider.

As for Exchange itself, I have sites I haven't touched for months. They just sit there and do the job. The investment in my time was worth it because the client made a significant investment and my time was the best use of that investment. I did a job a few years ago where the client reported a full ROI on the entire deployment in less than 9 months!

-M

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