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HOWTO: Promote child domain to its own forest

Asked by: wellspokenman

Hello,
I've taken over a mess of a migration project, the goal of which is two take two offices working in their own domains, create a third domain and migrate them all into that one. There are, however, two major problems with this plan:
* The two offices have the same netbios name for their domains
* The new domain was created as a child domain of one of the offices

So we have:
companyltd.london
companyltd.berlin
and the newly created, mostly migrated to, company.local.

Domain controllers for company.local exist in both sites and AD replication and mail is flowing happily between the sites. There is a trust between companyltd.london (parent) and company.local (child). (When I say parent and child, I mean that the _msdcs folder in the company.london DNS contains all the GUIDs of the domain controllers for company.local)

The problem is that since there is already a trust between companyltd.london and its child domain company.local I cannot create a second trust between companyltd.berlin and company.local, as the netbios names for london and berlin are the same (companyltd).

If companyltd.london and company.local were in fact separate forests I'd simply break the trust after resource migration and create a new one with companyltd.berlin. As far as I can tell I have two choices:
* Perform a manual migration of the berlin office
or
* re-promote the child domain, then break the trust between it (company.local) and companyltd.london

I would like the community's opinion on which of these two options is less painful and less risky. I see manual migration as being both painful and risky: each workstation must be done manually, I'm not sure if the user profiles will be preserved, we have to do every workstation in a single weekend (which is hard because of permanently remote users) and there is no easy rollback strategy.

Repromotion of a child domain is, on the other hand, a complete unkown for me. What do you guys think?

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Answers

 

by: masa77Posted on 2008-04-30 at 00:02:59ID: 21468616

You could first rename the domains for simplifie the migration
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsserver/bb405948.aspx
Then you could process on migration
http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver/en/library/38a3eebf-456f-4cac-bd70-d6b90dc5df7e1033.mspx?mfr=true

When you "re-promote" remove AD from the source domain and join back to new forest, you will lose all AD settings from the source domain, users and etc.

 

by: wellspokenmanPosted on 2008-04-30 at 00:08:13ID: 21468639

Thank you for such a quick response.

OK, so 'repromotion' is actually reinstallation - that's off my list of posibilities. Have you ever actually renamed a domain before? Every time I hear about it people wince and say 'it's not as easy as it sounds' I need to know the real world risks so I can weigh them up against the manual migration.

 

by: wellspokenmanPosted on 2008-04-30 at 00:13:43ID: 21468657

From the link you provided:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsserver/bb405948.aspx
"it is not designed to accommodate forest mergers or moving domains between forests."
I'm not sure if that's what I'm doing or not - just putting it out there for comment.

 

by: masa77Posted on 2008-04-30 at 00:15:52ID: 21468669

Sorry, never needed in AD environment. Ages ago in NT environment have done it with third party tool.
You should read the documents(Understanding How Domain Rename Works and Step-by-Step Guide to Implementing Domain Rename) which are found from
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsserver/bb405948.aspx

 

by: masa77Posted on 2008-04-30 at 00:21:43ID: 21468689

I dont know if there is another way to approach when the domain is already found with the name.
The ADMT tool works well for the migration.

 

by: masa77Posted on 2008-04-30 at 00:22:27ID: 21468693

here is good article of domain rename at
http://www.petri.co.il/windows_2003_domain_rename.htm

 

by: wellspokenmanPosted on 2008-04-30 at 00:27:34ID: 21468705

Thanks for the links - I will certainly read the articles, but reading 100 pages of documentation does not help me make a risk assessment. Has anyone out there done this before?

 

by: KCTSPosted on 2008-04-30 at 00:48:10ID: 21468774

You can't promote a child domain to a new forest. AD provides no facilities to do this. In short you have to create a new forest and migrate the users using tools like ADMT http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=6f86937b-533a-466d-a8e8-aff85ad3d212&displaylang=en

 

by: wellspokenmanPosted on 2008-04-30 at 00:50:16ID: 21468778

Understood - the question now is: What is less time consuming and risky? Renaming a domain, or manually migrating 50 users, their mailboxes and their applications over a weekend?

 

by: KCTSPosted on 2008-04-30 at 00:57:22ID: 21468801

Creating a new domain is less risky - the worst that can happen in this scenario is it fails and you have to start again - the original domain can remain unaffected unto you are happy with the new domain

 

by: wellspokenmanPosted on 2008-04-30 at 01:01:55ID: 21468821

I have two production domains with the same netbios name and a new production domain that is a child of one of the first domains. I'm not sure I understand the response - there I can't just create a new domain, the goal of the project is to have a single domain and have the comapny's resources are already in it.

the question is: What is less time consuming and risky? Renaming a domain and creating a trust so i can use ADMT, or manually migrating 50 users, their mailboxes and their applications over a weekend?

 

by: KCTSPosted on 2008-04-30 at 01:10:36ID: 21468855

Ah sorry missed that, if you need to keep the same domain name you have a problem. You are going to have to rename one of them if you want to create a trust between the two

 

by: wellspokenmanPosted on 2008-04-30 at 01:12:05ID: 21468859

yes, I am aware of that:

the question is: Which is less time consuming and risky? Renaming a domain and creating a trust so i can use ADMT
OR
manually migrating 50 users, their mailboxes and their applications over a weekend?

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