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What are the Best Practices for 1 forest, 1 child and 2 sites in child domain?

Asked by: iopadmin

I am configuring a Windows 2008 Active Directory Forest (mycompany.local)with a Windows 2008 child domain (corp.mycompany.local).  I need to set up 2 sites within the child domain.  What are the best practices or configurations for this AD design? (i.e. FSMO roles, DNS configs, Site config, etc.  I am first building this in a lab using one DC for the forest and 1 dc for each site in the child domain.

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by: mkline71Posted on 2009-11-02 at 09:32:07ID: 25721459

One best practice is to try and limit the number of domains, is there a reason you are going with a child domain in this situation.

Make all the DCs global catalogs (unless your bandwidth is really bad...and in a small network like this it any pipe should be able to handle it)

I'd run active directory integrated DNS (but it is not a requirement)

Thanks

Mike

 

 

by: chukuPosted on 2009-11-02 at 09:36:00ID: 25721499

for each site it is recommended to get 2 DCs
if hardware is equal on all servers, pick one of the 2 DCs at the HQ office and make it FSMO role holder (remember that schema reside on the parent DC)
configure GC on all DCs (only with huge sizes it is recommended to separate FSMO from GC)
each site will have its own SITE under sites-and-services, each site will use a different networking subnet
install 1 DNS per site for redundancy and make the local DNS primary
if you're using DHCP you'll need 1 DHCP server per site

 

by: bluntTonyPosted on 2009-11-02 at 10:37:56ID: 25722193

Hi there,

Is mycompany.local going to be an operational domain or a dedicated forest root? In a larger setup it's recommended to have a dedicated forest root holding no resources. It acts as the administrative head of the forest, with just your enterprise admin accounts and schema/domain naming masters residing there. This keeps the adminstrative core of the forest protected from any organisational re-shuffles the company may have in future (you cannot change the forest root ever, so it's best to make sure it's seperate from any potential moves/changes).

If you've just a smaller setup, then as Mike says, the less domains the better.

Just to add a couple more comments:

1. Ensure your PDC is well connected, and preferably in the site with the most users. The PDC is used for password changes/referals so it's the most heavily used FSMO from a user perspective. It's recommended to put the RID master on the same server as the PDC also.

2. With 2 domains, if you do not make all DCs global catalogs, ensure that you DO NOT place the Infrastructure Master on a GC. But again, as Mike has already mentioned, nowadays you can usually make all DCs GCs.

Tony

 

 

by: iopadminPosted on 2009-11-02 at 12:42:18ID: 25723492

The mycompany.local is a dedicated root forest domain.  The child domain (corp.mycompany.local) will have two sites. A local site in Florida (site A) and a remote site in Texas (site B).  The design is to have 2 DC in the root forest and 2 DC in each site in the child domain.  There will be a GC in the root and each site as well.  We are looking to improve network performance by creating a child domain that will house our two sites. Also, we would then be able to delegate administration of the sites to the admins at that site, etc.  This is a new network that will be implemented in an existing company, included in this AD design is the implementation of Exchange 2007.  The Mailbox Servers will be be clustered (SCC).  The Exchange environment will reside in the root forest domain (mycompany.local).  I am setting this all up in a lab environment first with the goal of creating the production environment with the intent of a Q1 2010 implementation.  

 

by: mkline71Posted on 2009-11-02 at 12:58:53ID: 25723645

http://www.experts-exchange.com/OS/Microsoft_Operating_Systems/Server/2003_Server/Q_24109142.html

Take a look at my comments about halfway down for step by step on creating the two sites, won't take you long for the two.

Thanks

Mike

 

by: AwinishPosted on 2009-11-02 at 13:50:16ID: 25724143

Each site should be followed by dc & ADC.

Until its extremely required don't configure chil domain,as it will make the mamagement complex. Because resource access,permission related error & many more.

DNS should be configured as AD-integrated.

Each site should have atleast one Global catalogue.

Infrastructure master & GC should not be in same server.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb727085.aspx

 

by: snusgubbenPosted on 2009-11-02 at 14:16:37ID: 25724387

Why do you want the empty forest root domain? I thought this was a closed chapter by MS some years after the server 2000 release.

You don't gain much security by this design (over a populated forest root), extra HW is needed (in these "green IT days") and you got yourself more administrativ work.

SG

 

by: bluntTonyPosted on 2009-11-03 at 00:56:40ID: 25727081

A dedicated forest root would be something you would use in a larger enterprise set up, and as far as I know still is MS best practice (at least it was for 2003 - can't say for 2008 myself).

If the plan is to have many child domains in a big forest, then a dedicated forest root would help. There is no real added admin as the forest root doesn't hold any resources. It just sits there holding your two forest FSMOs and enterprise accounts. In a large enterprise the added cost of hardware is relatively small in comparison to the overall cost of the enterprise.

The idea isn't to really just to gain security, it's to isolate the administrative head of the forest, leaving it protected from any organisational reshuffles in the future (as it can't be moved). I've come across quite a few posts on EE where people are asking about how to reshuffle their forest and it's not possible because the first domain in the forest was populated and couldn't be moved/removed (and wasn't actually the organisational head of the enterprise), leaving the only solution much more convoluted.

That said, if the plan is to just have one operational domain, then I would say a dedicated root isn't necessary for the reasons snusgubben says.

 

by: iopadminPosted on 2009-11-03 at 07:26:22ID: 25729814

All your feedback is great thank you!  As I am doing this lab I was already getting the feel that this design with a child domain is not really the way to go.  Replication and DNS issues are more likely and therefore administration is more complex.  So what I am gathering is that instead of creating a child domain with two sites, avoid the child domain and create the two sites within the root forest.  Place 2 DC's at both sites (one of the 2 DC's being a GC DC).  

Below is a detailed explanation of our environment and the AD design I was asked to implement.  I am open to feedback in regard to the design.  The goal is of course to ensure that we have the best network design that provides redundancy, optimal performance and little administration.  Yes, the perfect world! :)   I don't think we are getting this with the current design especially after all of your previous feedback.  So here it is:
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Our main data center is located in Florida.  This building is dedicated as a data center.  We have our production network as well as our corporate network at this data center.  Another building down the road is our corporate office where employees reside.  We also have a remote office in Texas (approximately 30 users will reside here).  We are in need of totally revamping & upgrading our current Corporate Network.  So the plan is to create a new network on Windows 2008 server with Exchange 2007 (Exchange will be a SCC clusterer).  [Note: We will do a migration of exchange mail only (no AD migration) once the new forest domain\network is completed].  I was given the network design to follow to make this happen which is as follows:

A root forest domain (mycompany.local) with a forest wide trust to a child domain (corp.mycompany.local).  In the root forest there will be the following:  2 DC both GC's, 2 Exchange 2007 mailbox servers (Single Copy Cluster) attached to a storage array (MD3000), 1 server with the roles of HUB, CAS & Unified Messaging), and a Blackberry Server.  In the Child Domain (corp.mycompany.local) there are two sites with their own subnet.  Site A (Florida) has 2 DC with 1 being a GC, Site B (Texas) has 2 DC with 1 being a GC.  Both sites have their own file & print server, etc.  
Having said all this and I apologize for the length of this post, I thought it best to try and put out as true of a picture of what I am tasked to make happen with in the hopes of getting some guidance and feedback that will ultimately help me create the best network for my company.  
 

 

by: bluntTonyPosted on 2009-11-04 at 06:05:09ID: 25739372

iopadmin - I think if anyone helped you in your decision you need to award points to those people - you can split the points as well.

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