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Can't access shared folder

2 machines:  1 xp pro and the other xp home - networked, firewalls disabled.  I created a shared folder in the root directory of the windows xp pro machine, enabled file and printer sharing, enabled sharing (full control) in permissions and security settings (of pro), and restarted both machines (just for good measure).  When I try to access the folder from the computer that has xp home, I get an error message regarding insufficient rights i.e. I can see the folder but cannot open it.  Is this a limitation  of xp home or did I miss something?
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Question Asked By: DJMTEK
Solution Provided By: KCTS
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02.17.2008 at 12:18PM PST, ID: 20915377

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Make sure that you have granted both SHARE and NTFS permissions.

When you share a folder it has share permissions. For the most part, if your drives are formatted as NTFS then give the 'Everyone' Group 'Full Control' at the share level (you will need to change the default permission on the Sharing Tab as the Default is 'Everyone' Read). This may seem odd and insecure but it is not as NFTS itself allows you much greater control of permissions. It is usual to allow full control at the share level and then tie down permissions with NTFS.

If you right click on a folder and go to the Security Tab, it will show you the NTFS Permissions. Normally you will want a shared folder not to inherit permissions from its parent folder or drive, So go to the Advanced Tab and clear the 'Inherit from parent...' box and COPY the permissions when prompted.

You can then edit/add/remove groups from the security tab and assign each the required permissions. So if you want the Marketing Group to have full access to a folder, add the Marketing Group and Assign them Full Control. If you want the Sales Group to be able to read the folder and files but not add/delete/change anything, add the Sales group and leave the default permissions, (read, read and execute list folder contents). To stop others accessing the folder remove the Everyone and (domain) Users Groups from the list.

It is enough that groups do not appear on the list to stop them getting access. You do not normally need to DENY. If a user is a member of two or more groups they get the best of their cumulative NTFS Permissions (unless a deny is present, in which case it overrides).

Normally the standard permissions will be sufficient for most purposes; if you want to be more prescriptive you can use the 'Advanced' option and set advanced permissions.

If users have both share and NTFS permissions they get the most restrictive of the combination of the combined NTFS/Share permissions (which is why it is normal to allow Full Control on the share and rely on NTFS permissions)

It is usual to give permissions to groups, not to users as this makes for easier management. If a new person joins the sales team, you just add them to the sales group and they automatically get all the permissions assigned to the Sales Group. If someone moves from Marketing to sales you remove them from the Marketing group and they lose all the Marketing Group Permissions, when you then add them to sales they get all the permissions of the sales group. As already stated a user can be a member of multiple groups.

See http://www.windowsecurity.com/articles/Understanding-Windows-NTFS-Permissions.html for more info

Once a folder is shared with the correct folder and NTFS permissions users can connect to it using the UNC path name, it they can type \\ServerName\ShareName at the run Prompt. Alternatively they can map a drive to the folder. To do this click on Tools, Map Network drive in Windows Explorer and  assign any unused drive letter to the shared folder. The folder will then appear a s Network drive in My ComputerÂ’
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02.17.2008 at 12:49PM PST, ID: 20915574
Great explanation.  Thanks.  Had done much of what you gave here but had not unchecked the "inherit permissions" box.  Still did not work until I added "guests" to my permissions list.   Can I add  a specific group or user from another computer?  Only local users, administrators,  etc are listed.  
 
02.17.2008 at 12:50PM PST, ID: 20915587

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Glad you got it sorted :-)
 
02.17.2008 at 12:57PM PST, ID: 20915635
Before I accept your answer as solution, do you or anyone else have an answer for the question in my second post "Can I add  a specific group or user from another computer?  Only local users, administrators,  etc are listed. "
 
02.17.2008 at 12:58PM PST, ID: 20915639
In my experience XP home is a pain to network but here are a few things to consider:

Enable the "Guest" login account on the xp home computer

just make sure everyone and guest has full controll to the share and security premissions.


 
02.17.2008 at 01:13PM PST, ID: 20915713

Rank: Genius

The "proper" way to do it is to create a user account on your computer (if possible use the same name and password that the other person uses on thieir computer, and then assign the permissions to that account.

If the username/password are the same as on the other PC then the user won't even get prompted for anything, if they are different, they will be prompted to provide the name/password the first time they connect - but they can select the "remember credentials" option so that they won't be asked again.
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