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IIS Issues with Hyper-threading

Asked by: Sirees

Our web server has four Intel Xeon 2.8GHz processors with Hyper threading enabled.
All of our IIS settings are defaults.

Our .net application (from 3rd party vendor) has some serious perfomance issues and time out errors.
Vendor recommends one of these options:

1. to turn  hyper threading off and change processor affinity. They tell us it that .Net Framework 1.1 does not handle massive data processing efficiently and processor is spending 85% of time in Garbage collection.
2. Change the default time-out on IIS

Any recommendations/comments on this. I know this is vague but I just wanted to see if any one has  resolved similiar issues.

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by: Dave_DietzPosted on 2007-02-28 at 14:36:49ID: 18629601

Not sure at all what is meant by ".Net Framework 1.1 does not handle massive data processing efficiently" but it could easily be doing a lot of garbage collection depending on the code in question.

.Net will create a heap per processor on multi-proc boxes and here we would be seeing 2 heaps per processor due to the HT.  If there is something causing GC to occur more often than normal it will cause GC to happen on *all* the heaps at the same time which actually means twice per processor here.  GC isn't a problem in and of itself but it certainly can be part of a problem if the code is doing things to cause GC to happen too often or is handling data in odd ways that make GC more difficult.

Also, which time-out did the vendor specify?  There are several and no single one is really the 'default'.....

Dave Dietz

 

by: SireesPosted on 2007-03-01 at 05:39:40ID: 18632694

Thanks Dave for the reply.

<<which time-out did the vendor specify? >>
Connection time-out  is what they specified...

This is what their report says:

It was discovered that one of the reasons w3wp.exe tends to max out a cpu is that it is spending too much of its processing time in Garbage Collection (GC). Using Windows 2003 built in Performance Monitor, it was determined that w3wp was indeed spending most of its time in GC – approximately 85%.  One cause of this problem is doing too many String concatenations in loops within the code. We did not however observe any of these within the code. Another cause is the use of many data grids on a screen. Data grid memory is transferred around a lot and then discarded. The page in question does indeed have many data grids. However, Microsoft’s .Net Framework 1.1 does not handle such massive amounts of processing in a very efficient manner.  As a result, these become extremely processor heavy transactions.  This is why we are seeing the processors spike to 100%

 

by: Dave_DietzPosted on 2007-03-01 at 11:40:22ID: 18634914

That makes sense.

String concat is an ugly, ugly process that chews up memory and causes a lot of GC.  Each concat ends up with one result string and at least two garbage objects.  If you do multiple concats within a loop of some sort (common when building tables of data from a data set) you get a lot of churn and a lot of GC.

Any time you start working with large datasets you are going to see GC happening as well.

I would side with the vendor in turning off HT in this case but I don't understand what they hope to gain from shortening the connection time out.  Killing connections more quickly won't make any difference to memory allocation or CPU utilization.

Dave Dietz

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