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Partition software for my Wndows 7 installation

Asked by: afflik1923

HI,

I'm going to install Windows 7 64 bit onto my Vista Ultimate Dell XPS M1330 laptop (hope all will work well including finger print reader etc).
My aim is to keep my exiting 32 bit Vista for the time being as something I can go back to when required (until a time when all is ported over to Windows 7)

However I thought on installation Windows 7 installer would give me the option to split my 500GB partition (170GB in use) and automatically create a dual boot but this was not offered, only to install over the existing single parition.

I therefore need a good, quick parittioning tool. I've paid out a lot for things recenntly and want to avoid paying again but at the same time wan tthe easiest so if paying saves bags of time then I could be swayed. (but this should only be a one off).

Anyway, I have previoulsy purchased Acronis True Image Workstation edition (Wtih Universal restore) however I do not seem to be able to find any partition tools included wiht this.

Any pointers apprecaited.

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2009-10-30 at 12:58:23ID24859259
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Answers

 

by: guitarobPosted on 2009-10-30 at 13:11:47ID: 25706408

Boot into your Vista installation.  Right click on My Computer and select "Manage".  In the left hand pane, select "Disk Management".  Right click on your hard drive in the right hand pane and select "Shrink Partition" this will launch a wizard allowing you to cut your partition size down.

Once complete, create a new basic volume in the unallocated space and format as NTFS.

You should then be able to install Windows 7 on the newly created partition by booting from the DVD.

 

by: afflik1923Posted on 2009-10-30 at 13:41:21ID: 25706629

Hmmm,

won't let me create partition as said already have max on drive (see screen shot). To be honest not sure what those bits at the start and eod of the drive (275MB and 6.24G)

This drive was created from a Clone of the original hard drive of identical size (but had some faults) using Acronis easy migrate (trial version) and that image was originally cloned from the original Dell 200GB hard drive (hence the recovery partition)

Should I just delete that end 6.24GB?

Thanks for input.


 

by: younghvPosted on 2009-10-30 at 13:43:22ID: 25706640

I was converted to "Boot-IT NG" a couple of years ago and would probably never consider using any other tool.

http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/downloads-bootit-next-generation.htm

You can download and use it for 30 days free, so give it a try.

I've done several dual boot installs for Windows 7 now and the customers are really pleased. I just create a new 25 GB partition on the existing HDD and do a clean install. Your default OS will be Windows 7, but that can be changed easily in the "Computer --> Properties" page.

 

by: younghvPosted on 2009-10-30 at 13:46:23ID: 25706669

You already have a partition - huge (252.93 GB) - but usable.

 

by: afflik1923Posted on 2009-10-30 at 13:47:26ID: 25706675

OK but I cannot format the partition as NTFS. It gives the error message shown in the picture.

 

by: afflik1923Posted on 2009-10-30 at 13:49:40ID: 25706695

Or rather, when I say "New Simple Volume"
and proceed through the wizard I eventually get the error in the screen shot

 

by: vallisPosted on 2009-10-30 at 13:52:36ID: 25706710

For info

Acronis True Image doesn't include partioning capacity. It allows you to resize partitions during restoration of an image though.

Acronis Disk Director is the companion app for partitoning. It's not as good as Bootit NG (as yonghv recommended), but it's easier to use. Bootit NG has a bit of a learning curve.

Acronis Disk Director free trial:
http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/diskdirector/index.html

 

by: guitarobPosted on 2009-10-30 at 13:52:45ID: 25706712

There is a limit of 4 partitions per physical disk.  If you don't need that little 6.24 GB partition delete it, just back up any files that might be on there, because once you delete it, it's gone.   Once you do that, you'll be able to create a new partition with all unallocated space.

 

by: vallisPosted on 2009-10-30 at 13:55:32ID: 25706726

You probably need to expand the 6GB partition to include your free 252GB then use Disk Management to allocate a drive letter.

 

by: afflik1923Posted on 2009-10-30 at 13:55:49ID: 25706730

I have no idea why that 6.24GB partiation is there or how it got there.
I cannot see it in Windows vista (other then through manage Disks) and I cannot assign it a drive letter (no option to do so - in fact the only option right click gives me is to delete.)

So I asume safe to delete?

 

by: afflik1923Posted on 2009-10-30 at 13:59:27ID: 25706762

OK deleted it. it said non windows partition, am I sure, I said yes. Then it said free partion. Deleted that. Then merged with the unallocated space. Then in the unallocated space I was able to create a new NTFS partition which I will now install Windows 7 on and wait to be wowwed beyond beleif. Exciting stuff. Thanks for input!

 

by: guitarobPosted on 2009-10-30 at 14:03:23ID: 25706789

It may be a Dell partition.  Sometimes they put system files on hidden partitions.  If it was my machine, I'd delete it, but I'm not comfortable advising a stranger to do the same.

To be safe, what you could do, is back up that "Recovery" Drive to your C:\ and get rid of that partition.  That's probably an OS recovery drive that Dell installed in lieu of giving you a Vista DVD.

 

by: vallisPosted on 2009-10-30 at 14:43:23ID: 25707010

I was assuming that the 12Gb "Recovery D" partition was the Dell restore partition.
Here's hoping. :)

Did you create an Acronis Image before diving in?

 

by: afflik1923Posted on 2009-10-30 at 19:40:40ID: 25708121

done it. and spent the entire evening installing applicaitions onto Windows 7. But so far loving it.

Just came back into the old clunky vista to get some more details about what I need to install, but so far so good. Then sooner I never need to boot Vista the better. just hope all my apps work (funilly enough office failed - but said missing file from the download I completed - so I'll nip into office and try from CD)

But windows 7 seems good.

 

by: vallisPosted on 2009-10-30 at 19:57:08ID: 25708163

There's very little that runs successfully on Vista that won't also run on Windows 7.
Too late to run the Upgrade Adviser but you can start here:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/compatibility/en-us/default.aspx

 

by: nobusPosted on 2009-10-31 at 03:27:53ID: 25709111

actually, with Bootit- ng you can create more than 4 primary partitions...

 

by: noxchoPosted on 2009-10-31 at 16:10:17ID: 25711976

#nobus, really? How do you create more than 4 primary partitions? I thought that was a limitation of MBR partitioned drive structure. As far as I know there can be 3 primary and 1 extended partitions. Withing extended partition one can create up to 128 logical partitions (done myself). But those are not primary.
So we get actually 4 primary partitions only if we consider Extended one to be primary too.

 

by: vallisPosted on 2009-10-31 at 20:53:55ID: 25712540

I've no idea how it's done, but Bootit NG can create over 200 primary partitions. I presume that it completely rewrites the boot sector.

What happens when you run ot of letters after drive Z:\   !!!

:)

 

by: nobusPosted on 2009-11-01 at 01:24:53ID: 25713003

from the Boot-it page, :  Create over 200 primary partitions (if desired)
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/bootit-next-generation.htm

 

by: nobusPosted on 2009-11-01 at 01:25:56ID: 25713005

it is by far the best partition mangaer, i have seen, though it has a "geeky" interface, but it has never let me down, and works very well

 

by: younghvPosted on 2009-11-01 at 02:57:18ID: 25713276

afflik1923,
You really need to follow the advice given way up above here and use Boot-IT NG to set up "OS Partitions" (about 25-30 GB) and a "Data Partition" (all the rest).

It isn't too late to do that now. I use Boot-IT NG to 're-partition/re-size' hard drives all of the time and it will be a true life-saver any time there is a system crash. OS and Data files (including profiles) must be kept separate.

I concur with your assessment of Windows 7 and will finally (personally) migrate for XP.

 

by: noxchoPosted on 2009-11-01 at 03:11:30ID: 25713303

Have you tried to create at least 10 PRIMARY partitions with it?
I am going to try cause I still don't believe in that fact.

 

by: younghvPosted on 2009-11-01 at 03:21:51ID: 25713335

<<I am going to try cause I still don't believe in that fact.>>

noxcho - I am not sure what you mean by that comment. I certainly have no reason to lie to you or anyone else.

In fact, I have NOT created "10" partitions on any single HDD - why would I?
I have created 7 (6 OS and 1 Data) - is that good enough for you?

 

by: noxchoPosted on 2009-11-01 at 03:29:30ID: 25713353

All primary? That should make Windows XP crazy =))) I admit that one can create extended partition and then lots of partitions inside of that.
Can you  take a screen shot of your Windows Disk Management and post it here?
And sure I am not trying to blame you in lie. Just trying to understand myself how did they overcome the limit of 4 primary slots.

 

by: afflik1923Posted on 2009-11-01 at 15:39:43ID: 31648207

Good answer with lots of extra good comments. Thanks for all the input.

 

by: noxchoPosted on 2009-11-02 at 01:40:34ID: 25718070

Ok, although this question is closed I have tested BootIT NG and yes it does create more than 4 primary partitions. But! For its own. As Windows has no use of it.
younghv, can you explain me why doesn't Windows Disk Management show more than 4 primary partitions though in Boot Media of BootIT NG it shows 7 of them?

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